Have no interest in starting over in new league

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KaosuRyoko#1633 schrieb:

I would reference the talk I linked earlier where they discussed this point to support the point you're replying to.

I already replied to it. They don't have any data on what the game would look like if both Standard and League get the same mechanics concurrently.

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LeFlesh#9979 schrieb:

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AverBeg7#1689 schrieb:

You are literally exhibiting why it is a problem right now. You are vehemently opposed to starting fresh because you have never done it, and the only reason you have to consider it is to play the new content.

1. How do you know?
2. Why is that a problem?

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AverBeg7#1689 schrieb:

What you don't understand is you are signing up to play a dead game

Why are you vehemently opposed to me playing a video game the way I want to play it? My argument is that league and Standard can and should coexist with concurrent release of novel content. Your argument is that I should be penalized for not playing the way you like.

You are not reading what I am saying. It is simply a healthy loop for the game, and a fun gameplay loop for people that want to continue to play the game into the future.

I am not opposed to how you want to play the game. I am opposed to the idea that sacrificing the rest of the community's enjoyment and the successfulness of the game so you can access all of the new content in Standard is a good tradeoff.

I am also saying that having no natural pipeline to fresh league starts that keep ARPGs alive is a terrible thing for everyone.

Nothing is being sacrificed. League players lose nothing from Standard players being treated fairly. Its odd to oppose such a thing.

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LeFlesh#9979 schrieb:

Nothing is being sacrificed. League players lose nothing from Standard players being treated fairly. Its odd to oppose such a thing.

You don't understand it, but there is a sacrifice. A massive one. That was felt in 0.2 tangibly by everyone involved in the league start. I have tried to lay it out for you, but it is obvious you would rather just paint your own picture.

I'm for letting people play the new content the way they want to experience it. Attempting to psychologically manipulate the portion of the playerbase that's not interested in starting over is distasteful. A quality game model would rely on the strength of their newly released content, not FOMO.

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LeFlesh#9979 schrieb:

I'm for letting people play the new content the way they want to experience it. Attempting to psychologically manipulate the portion of the playerbase that's not interested in starting over is distasteful. A quality game model would rely on the strength of their newly released content, not FOMO.

You keep bringing up "psychological manipulation" like it is a slam dunk, but it's totally off-base. Promoting the healthiest pipeline and gameplay loop for a live service game is the developer's sole responsibility. It is not a shameful or evil thing.

Again: you're not denying it as inaccurate, just saying that It's A Good Thing. The healthiest pipeline gives players the option to experience the new content in either the new league or with their current toons, whichever they prefer.

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LeFlesh#9979 schrieb:

Again: you're not denying it as wrong, just saying that It's A Good Thing. The healthiest pipeline gives players the option to experience the new content in either the new league or with their current toons, whichever they prefer.

To say that a live service ARPG having fresh starts with exclusive content is "psychological manipulation", is wrong. I have already laid out why, multiple times. You have asked me for reasons, I have given them. You just choose to ignore everything and make it about solely yourself.

I am speaking about the health of the game, the enjoyment of the community, and your replies are all "me, and players like me, don't care". It's hardly an argument.

Adding ALL content to standart and league at same time would separate playerbase, which is "unhealthy" for the game overall.

Ye, and after my first league i had a state like a "i would continue to play my previous character!.." That mindstate lasted for hour or less.

Well wait a minute: if this divides the playerbase, then that means the F R E S H economy isn't actually the true thing that draws players back- it's the novel content.

So which is it?