The cost of death!

"

SpankyKong#9805 schrieb:

"

mikeab79#3627 schrieb:

How many games retain players 3 months into a season? If they were all leaving out of being unsatisfied, an 81% positive review on steam makes no sense then. Diablo 4 has a much larger playerbase, yet just a few weeks into their season, their player base is down by the same amount. Why does one game lose players during a season and remains successful, while another game is considered failing?

Are you suggesting 81% of players cruised through end game and loved it so much? Or is it more likely that they loved the (wildly different) campaign but dropped off after reaching end game?

"

SpankyKong#9805 schrieb:

"

JakkerONAIR#4902 schrieb:

They have said over the years that they will not change the "EXP loss," and they said this when the "0.1.1" patch was showcased.

How often do new ppl need to hear that it will stay? One time, two times, ten or a hundred times?

That's not what they said for the 0.1.1 Q&A. Per that handy link that you gave me not too long ago (https://youtu.be/WjxzTAcJqAM?si=Gpc-Mb5uOz1qE1AL&t=5423), they were leaning towards keeping it but open to considering some kind of revision that they acknowledge is necessary.

"

SpankyKong#9805 schrieb:

Are you suggesting 81% of players cruised through end game and loved it so much? Or is it more likely that they loved the (wildly different) campaign but dropped off after reaching end game?

"

mikeab79#3627 schrieb:

"

CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 schrieb:

I mean in light of the shear volume of fresh posts from different people. I mean in light of the fact they are caving on one-attempt for pinnacles. I mean in light of the fact that the average player count has cut in half since EA's launch. I doubt there are much more than 20 to 30% of that player count not playing that just can't seem to figure out the game or realized it isn't the ARPG for them ("Geoner is too hard!" types that couldn't reach end game or even act 3). The players dwindling now are those wanting to stick with it and leaving for any number of reasons. I'll concede it being EA means there's a content limit and some people are waiting for more content, but I can't imagine that would be much more than 30% of leaving players there, either, liberally that would maybe be half? I know I'm pulling the numbers out of the pooter here, but it doesn't seem unfair or hyperbolic to suggest there are tens of thousands quitting or have already quit as a direct result of the current state of death penalties, certainly a top 3 reason for most Standard league that made it to end game.

How many games retain players 3 months into a season? If they were all leaving out of being unsatisfied, an 81% positive review on steam makes no sense then. Diablo 4 has a much larger playerbase, yet just a few weeks into their season, their player base is down by the same amount. Why does one game lose players during a season and remains successful, while another game is considered failing?

The weird part, PoE2 has a better overall review numbers than the more successful Diablo4 game that catered to demands like you're making.

"

CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 schrieb:

There's probably a fair few of them that dropped after playing the campaign and were satisfied with that and will wait for the rest of the acts. It's anyone's guess why players leave. Some leave for feeling there is a lack of content, others for just not liking the game, others moving on or bouncing between games and come back on some interval, others leaving because of end game, others leaving quite clearly because of the current death penalties. It just seems to me that it shouldn't be would not lose this much average player count this fast. Not like it's an MMO that has no content once you're max level other than a gear treadmill, ostensibly single player games always tend to retain players longer feels like when it has a good gameplay loop or reason to end game or roll alts.

"

mikeab79#3627 schrieb:

PoE2 - 3 months into a season - 86,475 players online currently
D4 - 3 weeks into a season - 9,815 players currently online

"

mikeab79#3627 schrieb:

PoE2 - 3 months into a season - 86,475 players online currently
D4 - 3 weeks into a season - 9,815 players currently online
*data from steam charts https://steamdb.info/charts/?compare=2344520,2694490

Does this mean that catering to the people that want an easier game is a terrible idea and will actually lose more players? Numbers wise, it seems PoE2 is doing better than the more successful D4.

"

GeoFruck#1167 schrieb:

This is the second time here I've had to call someone out for fake news on steam stats comparing these 2 games. Last analysis I did determined that steam numbers likely account for 10%-15% of total D4 players.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3714822/page/2

"

mikeab79#3627 schrieb:

"

GeoFruck#1167 schrieb:

This is the second time here I've had to call someone out for fake news on steam stats comparing these 2 games. Last analysis I did determined that steam numbers likely account for 10%-15% of total D4 players.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3714822/page/2

Who's making up numbers now? It's a shame PoE2 is only on steam and no other platforms.