Orbs Bound to Account - medicine for broken economy

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vio schrieb:

imho they already test that in the china release:

orbs and items you find until you reach maps get assigned to your account. using account bound currency on items makes them account bound.


excited on how that turns out. implications are huge!

Man I wish that would become part of our game..

Think of the orb seller spam gone poof!


Kinda can't really have much say in this tho i'm really a 90% solo player... and would flip in a instant to a self found perm league.


Imo would stop the noobie garbage in chat..

- what's this worf?
- anyone want to buy?
- WTS (random crappy 1c item here..) 5ex
- and all that orb rmt spam bs...

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The fact is that until exalted is tradeable, it would used for crafting only 0.1% of the times, while in the rest 99.9% it will be traded. Exalted orbs simply can't be common as chaos orbs, so they will be still rare even increasing their drop by a lot. This way, they are going to be traded the most of the time since they would still be the most preciuos currency aside from mirror.

If you make them untradeable things could change, though. You are forced to use them. And so, you are forced to create a good craftbase from yourself: this way, it would improve alt/chaos/regal spam, consuming them (which is the original purpose of the orbs) instead of using them as money.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if GGG introduced a hard recipe for exalted orb.

Do you mean all orbs or just Ex/Mirror orbs?

If A) People will just default to something else for currency as has already been suggested. Maps or cards, likely. Orbs would be used for crafting, but they would have no other value, and it still doesn't fix the problem with trying to craft things with them: RNG layered upon RNG upon RNG to the point that your odds of getting any top end items are measured in the 1/n*10^8 percentages (and that's being generous).

If B) All it does is keep the rest of the currency orbs in tact, and people just move larger quantities of lower tier orbs during their transactions. Exalts in particular would probably be consumed more, but it doesn't actually encourage crafting because getting a worthy base item is so difficult that the lower tier orbs used to make those items still have more value as currency than in crafting.

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Necx schrieb:

Man I wish that would become part of our game..
Think of the orb seller spam gone poof!

it's not really a selffound mode and there is not much info out yet about it (i read it on reddit from a normal user):
- all orbs and items you find until maps are account bound
- orbs and items from maps are freely tradeable
- if you apply a account bound-orb on a freely tradeable item, it gets account bound

don't know how they manage to visualize the account bound property of items. if anyone has more info i would be interested.

As someone else said, the market/demographic is different over there. Personally, I'd probably never touch the game again if that became standard here, and I doubt I'm alone in that. It doesn't solve the problems. It just adds more time sink to a game that already has too much of it.

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Fruz schrieb:

I'm wondering if it would really hurt the economy to really up the exalts droprates.

There is no more eternals = many more exalts are needed ( as long as other orbs ) to obtain perfect rare gear
There are so many over the top uniques than many slots don't care about rares already
It would maybe encourage some players to yolo exalt.

I don't play this game anymore, haven't for a while, just bored and cruising the forums, but...

I would say that it definitely would hurt what the economy is trying to be. I think it's clear by now that the economy isn't what it's trying to be, that the Mirror economy in Standard has reached a kind of unnatural apex. It's not really true to say there aren't Eternals anymore, because besides the fact that it's a legacy league which literally still has Eternals, it also has "Prefixes Cannot Be Changed" which is basically the new Eternals... but it's increasingly irrelevant that there are Eternals, because there were Eternals and thus Mirroring is played out. It's like there's a set of uniques players control - via Mirror service - and the default set of uniques, and that's that.

Well, maybe not exactly. As I said earlier, I'm not claiming expertise anymore. But something like that, where the role of creating new Mirror rares is marginalized.

I think the biggest flaw in the economy at present is the non-atrophy of Mirror service. If Mirrors have the Mirrored status to both copy and original (with Vorici Level 8 to modify sockets), there'd still be an economy for Mirror service (more likely, Mirrored rares - the seller would Mirror prior to finding a buyer), but it'd be much less static.

However, as I see things, most currency are currency, and as such their droprates should be tuned to expected progression rates for the top of the pyramid (such that the maximum percentage of currency is actually consumed). Under the current model, saying that feels silly. Tuning Exalt droprates to Mirror-service providers? Do they even have real demand for Exalts?

Of course, such a change to Mirrors would change everything we know about currency flow, and require various currency droprate adjustments.

So enough rambling. I think Fruz has some decent points there. The one point of his I think has no merit is yolo exalting - that will always be exactly that, yolo, meaning a fool's lottery.

I love threads like this - people know that this will never happen, yet they still talk about it, like it is a legit concept. :,)

This solves no problems, and imposes certain (YOUR) style of gameplay on others.
Also, game is mostly balanced around HC, and "buying all the items you need" won't save you from one way trip to Standard. Not to mention you have to have something to buy these items WITH.

So yeah, have fun discussing something that will never happen! :D

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ScrotieMcB schrieb:

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I was actually not thinking about standard league, the economy there is already .... like ... well .... ^^.
More about temp leagues.
It's true that we can block mods .... and that does make exalts + chaos more useful, which is a good thing !. It needs a lot of time to level a master to 8 in temp leagues though, gladly it is doable with Prophecy now, a little bit quicker.
Only exalt drop rates are still abyssmal =(.
I will be reaching 90 soon and still nothing, I wish I had at least one. Did not get any divine either I think .. RNGsus does not seem to like me this league.

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Fruz schrieb:

I will be reaching 90 soon and still nothing, I wish I had at least one. Did not get any divine either I think .. RNGsus does not seem to like me this league.

RNG be RNG - one day friend finds 2 Exalts on Ledge, in 2 hours period, while I only dropped two when leveling to 91, the other day I drop Heretic's Veil on Merci Dried Lake, which is 5ex. :V
Just spam chaos rescipe and hope for the best - nothing else left. :D

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Perq schrieb:

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Fruz schrieb:

I will be reaching 90 soon and still nothing, I wish I had at least one. Did not get any divine either I think .. RNGsus does not seem to like me this league.

RNG be RNG - one day friend finds 2 Exalts on Ledge, in 2 hours period, while I only dropped two when leveling to 91, the other day I drop Heretic's Veil on Merci Dried Lake, which is 5ex. :V
Just spam chaos rescipe and hope for the best - nothing else left. :D

I know :(
I'm doing that + regal recipe + ... selling lab offerings :]
But I just burnt 400 fuses and 350 Jwl on a chest to not even get 5L on it .... to end up buying the 5L prophecy ( so screwing my Vorici 350 Jwl 6S ), so I feel really on a bad streak lol, but I managed to build quite a bunch of chaos those last days so oh well, it could be worse I guess ( pretty crappy RNG still, I would be okay if that OP bow drop on my first council later on ! )

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Fruz schrieb:

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Perq schrieb:

RNG be RNG - one day friend finds 2 Exalts on Ledge, in 2 hours period, while I only dropped two when leveling to 91, the other day I drop Heretic's Veil on Merci Dried Lake, which is 5ex. :V
Just spam chaos rescipe and hope for the best - nothing else left. :D

I know :(
I'm doing that + regal recipe + ... selling lab offerings :]
But I just burnt 400 fuses and 350 Jwl on a chest to not even get 5L on it .... to end up buying the 5L prophecy ( so screwing my Vorici 350 Jwl 6S ), so I feel really on a bad streak lol, but I managed to build quite a bunch of chaos those last days so oh well, it could be worse I guess ( pretty crappy RNG still, I would be okay if that OP bow drop on my first council later on ! )

RNG be RNG - one Council run. D:

But then, the Vaaling proceeds:



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