What happened to Engaging Combat? Video Feedback.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 schrieb:

Player power needs to halved globally if they want this game to not be brain off slot machine.

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ukarudenkai#6946 schrieb:

Mobs should have 5x HP.
Be 5x less on screen.

Also much more dangerous (but buff our melee defenses)

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IonSugeRau1#1069 schrieb:

Oh but you are wrong about it's popularity, even one of the most zoom zoom enjoyer PoE1 CC's was quite positive on them, namely Zizaran. And if you look at his video guides about them, you can see in the comments that a lot of people like it. You can lie all you want about that but the truth is there.

Also, no, that was not the argument you were making, this is the argument you were making:


This whole "The ONLY argument here is player preference and genre preference lol." was not something you mentioned at all till now. Maybe you thought you did in your head while trying to be disingenuous and make it look impartial but that's definitely not something you've mentioned in your first comment.

Funny enough you argue about jumping around but you're actually the one doing it, now trying to spin Blight into your favor when I haven't given it as an example of a good mechanic or anything, just mentioned it to prove my point that speed is not a constant and it's relative to the boundaries created by the developers. It served my point perfectly.

As for this whole spin that loot grinding is not compatible with good combat ... it's just ridiculous. Many games prove this wrong with ease... No Rest for The Wicked for example proves you instantly wrong. But even games such as Monster Hunter prove you wrong as well. And many more.

Also, the whole reason and focus of this feedback thread that I've made is to point out that GGG has promoted this game as having good/engaging/meaningful combat and how the game is not currently achieving this at all and is further straying away with each patch... it has absolutely NOTHING to do with your opinion on how the game should forget about combat. That's just some of you trying to hijack the whole thing and make it about your own preferences.

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barczik#9534 schrieb:

I like playing Deadeye. I liked playing Invoker, Gemling and Spark in first league. Stopped playing 0.2 very quickly. Majority of players apparently prefers to be OP and very fast. Me included.

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cowmoo275#3095 schrieb:

Look, I really don't want to continue with this because you are starting to dig down and its becoming clear you have a singular vision.

1) You made the comment "What does players liking content have to do...": That is what sparked my response. Everything you have discussed in this thread and continue to discuss is Player preference. It's why they are playing THIS game over, say, DOTA.

2) No Rest For The Wicked: granted, I don't have a lot of experience, but again you are comparing apples to oranges: a game closer to Dark Souls than PoE. Just like in the first few pages.

3) YES you are right: GGG has made their desires for "meaingful combat" known. My point about this being a loot-based game, with HEAVY farming required, precludes it from ever having both meaningful combat AND the same farming requirements. If they want meaningful combat, they would need to completely rework how loot drops and dash expectations of their audience. Unfortunately for them, they have only 1 other game to their name (PoE 1) and so people come to PoE 2 with certain ingrained expectations of what the game SHOULD be. AGain.....why they choose THIS game over playing another ARPG or RPG.

And when I say or allude to it being IMPOSSIBLE to create meaningful combat in the mob-to-mob action, I truly mean it is IMPOSSIBLE within the constructs of what PoE 1 and PoE 2 are. Just like how introducing super loot to a game like Dark Souls would be impossible.


I'll come back to saying Blight is a poor example to your point, even from a speed perspective because WITHIN blight you still need ridiculous speed to actually win it. It heavily favors mobility, high damage, and as much clear as possible. But the fact that it also has a hard-capped timer on it is what makes it less popular. And yes....I'll say it again....as a veteran and current PoE 1 player who digests MANY streamer videos and lots of threads on this forum....Blight is NOT a popular mechanic compared to most others. It receives the vast majority of its popularity by its rewards, NOT by its play.

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barczik#9534 schrieb:

I like playing Deadeye. I liked playing Invoker, Gemling and Spark in first league. Stopped playing 0.2 very quickly. Majority of players apparently prefers to be OP and very fast. Me included.

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KäsePizza#3007 schrieb:

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 schrieb:

Player power needs to halved globally if they want this game to not be brain off slot machine.

Just some static 50% less damage or even more probably won't help alone. Some things are more in line with the original vision — some things are just not at all.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 schrieb:

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barczik#9534 schrieb:

I like playing Deadeye. I liked playing Invoker, Gemling and Spark in first league. Stopped playing 0.2 very quickly. Majority of players apparently prefers to be OP and very fast. Me included.

Luckily for you, there are multiple ARPGs still being updated RIGHT NOW that satisfy what you want!
Go play them.

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KäsePizza#3007 schrieb:

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 schrieb:

Player power needs to halved globally if they want this game to not be brain off slot machine.

Just some static 50% less damage or even more probably won't help alone. Some things are more in line with the original vision — some things are just not at all.

It'd be a start, but entire archetypes should simply NOT exist in POE2. Example: minions.
Minions have no place in this game, unless they are entities that can never be body block/take hits for you.

I can stand still with an army of minions and they will clear multiple screens without me pressing a single button. That cannot exist.

Also, honestly, white mobs shouldn't exist in their current form (have less of them but make each one 5x as strong), and champions (blues) need to be massively buffed. Like 3-5x the HP they currently have.

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cowmoo275#3095 schrieb:

YES you are right: GGG has made their desires for "meaingful combat" known.