Beware Astramentis Stellar Amulet scammers - Its GGGs fault i think

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Jagdkommando90#7200 schrieb:

You’re not even engaging with what’s being said—you’re just here to be condescending for no reason. The guy clearly explained the issue: the trade site displays an entirely different item under a specific search query, leading to misleading purchases.

It doesn't though.

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Qaletaqa#0894 schrieb:

If the game has 2 unique amulets with the same art, then the devs can do something about it. How can you tell an unidentified Astramentis and an unidentified Strugglescream apart in that case?

It's a common scam tho in games that have the ability to trade unidentified items and use the same art for multiple items.

except.....they aren't the same art. And GGG has NEVER used the same art for unique items sharing the same base.

All it takes is a split second of attention on the player. Can't be bothered to even do that with an item as high value as Astramentis? Really?


As for the trade site: it absolutely, 100%, DOES NOT show strugglescream if you search for astramentis. Unid or otherwise. That is either a straight up lie or a mistake on the player's side of things.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Standard/EDQeZX0H5
All 177 of those (at my time of checking) are Astramentis. It even shows you what the item looks like. Yet you accepted an item that looks different.

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Qaletaqa#0894 schrieb:

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If the game has 2 unique amulets with the same art, then the devs can do something about it. How can you tell an unidentified Astramentis and an unidentified Strugglescream apart in that case?

It's a common scam tho in games that have the ability to trade unidentified items and use the same art for multiple items.

Yeah, I agree. The main reason this scam is so common is because of the graphical similarity. The appearances should 100% differ more.

...Okay. I'm going to nicely (IMO) point out that GGG made it so that you cannot accept a trade without mousing over the item that you're trading for <which calls the item's name and stats onto the screen for you>.

The reason they did this is clearly to prevent exactly this from happening.

Maybe you don't have half a second to actually look at the item before you move the mouse back down to click accept...

But I don't see how that's GGG's fault, nor how any other countermeasures you don't have time to partake in because you're in a hurry would stop you from falling victim again if you're still not willing to look before you click.

Take responsability for your mistake, yes, YOUR mistake, GGG is not at fault for this.

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Th3Fall3n0n3#6762 schrieb:

<which calls the item's name and stats onto the screen for you>.

I mean....he did say he was buying it unid'd so it wouldn't give you all that information.

But all the more reason to spend the time to make sure the icon matches if you are choosing to buy an unid'd item. If I'm dropping a huge amount of divines on a single item, you bet I'm gonna double, triple, quadruple check to make sure its the correct item before making the conscious decision to press the green checkbox

They look exactly.....nothing alike, apart from both being amulets.



But here's where I can see the OPs problem: perhaps he didn't know strugglescream existed prior to ID'ing that scam buy. Therefore, he wasn't looking too closely at the design, thinking that all unique stellars were Astramentis by default. I can see that happening, and unfortunately that's just nasty rotten luck. He will know better for the future.

But it isn't any fault with the trade system, online or in-game. A scammer just simply hit the exact right target. Many of us have been there before....and hopefully won't ever repeat the same mistake. Back in 2013, I got scammed on a 6L purchase (the 6th link was notoriously hard to see and people would swap a 5L in). This was an actual problem with trade back then: no confirmation, very difficult visuals, sockets were all "uniform-looking". This was all fixed later, but I still owned up to my mistake with the semi-broken system of the time. Yet That single bad experience made it so I was NEVER scammed again in the 12 years since. Gotta be more attentive: every protection that could ever be needed.....is already in place. There is no time limit to trade. You cannot trade without visually confirming the item. And then you also need to press a big old green checkmark to confirm, only available AFTER you see the item. If you miss ALL of those roadblocks.....its your fault.

It is legitimately IMPOSSIBLE to scam someone in trade without it being THEIR fault for acceptin) in the current system GGG provides.

This just happened to me too. Crazy there's no system in place throughout the trade site/in-game to stop someone from just dropping any old item into the trade window after a trade has been initiated from the site.

This emboldens scammers looking to capitalize on an easy-to-miss user error. This guy/these guys are printing Divines with this scam. It's easy to victim-blame in hindsight, but lets remember at least we are acting fairly, innocently, and honestly when engaging in the trade.

scammers can rinse and repeat this scam over and over and fail, trying it on dozens of people off one listing. It only takes an honest person to fail to this one time to ruin their entire league/experience.

Obviously it's a lucrative scam, I think GGG could certainly put some things in place to prevent this, even without a full AH. My entire Early Access grind was just nuked to 1 scammer, shit sucks so bad.

They already have. You have to look at the item.

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_warborn#6427 schrieb:

This just happened to me too. Crazy there's no system in place throughout the trade site/in-game to stop someone from just dropping any old item into the trade window after a trade has been initiated from the site.

This emboldens scammers looking to capitalize on an easy-to-miss user error. This guy/these guys are printing Divines with this scam. It's easy to victim-blame in hindsight, but lets remember at least we are acting fairly, innocently, and honestly when engaging in the trade.

scammers can rinse and repeat this scam over and over and fail, trying it on dozens of people off one listing. It only takes an honest person to fail to this one time to ruin their entire league/experience.

Obviously it's a lucrative scam, I think GGG could certainly put some things in place to prevent this, even without a full AH. My entire Early Access grind was just nuked to 1 scammer, shit sucks so bad.

There already is something in place to prevent these scams. You have to hover over the item and you need to accept. If you hover over the wrong item and accept - it's not GGG's vault, you failed the two-step protection.

What you need is foresight, there will be always scammers, so if you trade for something valuable you focus for a few seconds - done.

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HomeruE#9591 schrieb:

I have been playing the game for 250 hours but I still got scammed today. Because when I search for "Astramentis Stellar Amulet" on the trade site, unidentified versions also appear. On the site, it is not possible to distinguish Strugglescream from the item shapes as the same. I made this mistake and spent all my divine orbs that I barely saved to buy the unidentified version. But when I identified it, it became Strugglescream.

Why does the unidentified version of Strugglescream also appear when I search for "Astramentis Stellar Amulet" specifically? Why does the trade site list the wrong item for me?
And some people take advantage of this. Because the seller knows that "Strugglescream" only drops from Simulacrum. I got tired of the game because of this ridiculous thing.

The Strugglescream Model, and the Astramentis Modle are completely different.

and you can see this by hovering over the item.,

if it wasnt the astramentis Model, you shouldnt have hit trade Accept.

this is completely on you for falling for this scam.

should GGG do something about the scammers, yes they should.

but are they solely to blame for you falling for the nigerian prince scam of sending money before verifying the item is 100% legit.

its partly your fault as well.