[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

@vanagain2: NeverSink stated that he didn't recommend this version of the ascendancy. Could you give some insight why you chose it?

2.6 Update probably for this guide?

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Bizze79 schrieb:

@vanagain2: NeverSink stated that he didn't recommend this version of the ascendancy. Could you give some insight why you chose it?

That was in Patch 2.2. Honestly none of these Ascendancies should be followed here (as presented) since they've changed drastically since 2.2, including getting 7th and 8th points one patch directly after introduction, along with major changes to Raider, Scion nerf, etc. The Raider you see there has been massively buffed compared to what it was like back then.

You kind of need to pay attention to the meta around you because the actual guide has not really been updated since the introduction of Ascendancies. I've asked before at least stop changing the title so people know, but this is outdated even for "2.4WIP" Three patches now of 6-Point Ascendancies, feelsbadman.

Ah, that explains some things. I haven't really built a Ranger in a while though, so thanks for the heads-up! =)

So TS is the main skill and I assume that empty Death's Opus should hold a single target skill? Barrage perhaps? Care to elaborate on the gems for that one?

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Bizze79 schrieb:

Ah, that explains some things. I haven't really built a Ranger in a while though, so thanks for the heads-up! =)

So TS is the main skill and I assume that empty Death's Opus should hold a single target skill? Barrage perhaps? Care to elaborate on the gems for that one?

Technically if you have TS unless you're going for very high HP bosses like Guardians/Shaper, you can get away with just that, as it is very good at applying the Poison all on its own. Think of Barrage as a concentrated dose if you want to take down bosses fast.

Previously, I've played this Poison version of archer as a Pathfinder using Master Herbalist (because you get another More Multiplier Gem instead of having to use Poison Gem), using a 5L Lightning Arrow to apply poison quickly, and a 6L Barrage, but that was strong as a boss killer as well.

It seems that with the new Raider you'll get something very similar to this as a different Ascendancy.

Yeah... but I assume TS is a no-go for Atziri as well... The question is if it's worth it to have a complete alternate loadout in the bow - or if you would just swap out the TS gem for such encounters... Is TS such a good all-round skill that you don't have to use two alternate skills while mapping? What's the verdict on reflect maps/mobs if you go TS only?

I've never played TS before so this build looks very appealing to me from that standpoint. =)

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Yeah... but I assume TS is a no-go for Atziri as well... The question is if it's worth it to have a complete alternate loadout in the bow - or if you would just swap out the TS gem for such encounters... Is TS such a good all-round skill that you don't have to use two alternate skills while mapping? What's the verdict on reflect maps/mobs if you go TS only?

I've never played TS before so this build looks very appealing to me from that standpoint. =)

TS is one of the many builds that needs to swap in a different attack for Atziri, not because their DPS is insufficient but because you'll hit the mirror and one-shot yourself.

Hi all, i played this build a while ago, and made a TS Deadeye. On the last few days of this league, i started to build a LA character, but my dps was realy below average playing with the HC skill tree. With a 5L i had under 2k dps at level 60 with LA - PTL - WED - LMP - Chain.

What would be an acceptable dps (i know it means nothing when you compare it among diferent skills, but it can be an indicator when you compare within the same skill) for LA for a character to hit maps. I want to build a LA raider as my league starter on Legacy.

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Shivaun schrieb:

TS is one of the many builds that needs to swap in a different attack for Atziri, not because their DPS is insufficient but because you'll hit the mirror and one-shot yourself.

Yeah, exactly - but I was hoping for a more detailed answer regarding the skill choices.

Are people playing similar builds generally just swapping the TS gem for a Barrage gem during Atziri (and Shaper etc. where more DPS is welcome and AoE not quite as needed) - or are they keeping an entire additional set of skill gems available all the time?

Like, would the optimal links for a Barrage setup be the same as for TS?


I can't help but notice that vanagain2's bow was 5-linked but with no skill gems. It seems as if there should be a skill link setup there - or else such free space would be use for some utility skill (or at least for leveling other skill gems for selling).

...or is it to put some sort of phys-to-ele dmg skill there to combat physical reflect in maps?

Lots of pages here. Whats the latest iteration of this going toward 2.6?

Most notably as my first foray into league play.