[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

Thanks for the guide! Please check out my “path of math” below!

I’m comparing the raider’s onslaught nodes vs. the frenzy nodes because I believe that frenzy raider is better than onslaught raider. Specifically:
Avatar of the Chase, Rapid Assault & Way of the Poacher VS
Avatar of the Slaughter, Rapid Assault, & Way of the Poacher

I am only comparing bonuses the two builds with their frenzy charges and boots in mind because everything else will stay the same.

Pro’s/Con’s of each: (Note: Both require blood rage imo becuase 10% on kill is tough to sustain)
Frenzy Raider:
10 frenzy charges with corrupted darkray (11 with amulet but that’s a bit tougher to acquire)
Doesn’t need onslaught flask
Chance of onslaught on kill
13 second frenzy duration
Requires Darkray Vectors (lightning resist pairs nicely with lightning coil though)
Slow without frenzy charges

Onslaught Raider:
More evasion
Life roll on rare boots
Better base movespeed
7 frenzy charges
Requires onslaught flask

Stats comparison – More damage, increased damage, attack speed, movement speed, dodge, evasion, dodge

Raider //////////////////////// Onslaught ////////////////////// 10 Frenzy
More damage % ///////////// 7*4=28 //////////////////////// 10*4=40
Increased damage % /////// 40 (tree) /////////////////////// 20+3*10=50 (tree)
Attack speed % ///////////// 50(tree)+7*4(frenzy)=78 //// 15+3*10(tree)+4*10(frenzy)=85
Movement speed % //////// 30(boots)+30(tree)=60 /////// 2*10(tree)+5*10(boots)=70
More evasion % //////////// 25/15 //////////////////////////
Dodge /////////////////////// //////////////////////////////// 2*10=20 (boots)

It seems that Avatar of the Slaughter outperforms Avatar of the Chase in every way. Please let me know if you think I’m missing something or if you don’t understand the math. I'm in the middle of testing this build so any input would be amazing.

Your math is all wrong because you're counting equipment bonuses as part of Frenzy raider. You only get 1 extra Frenzy charge from it, not 3. And you don't go Way of the Poacher with Onslaught, you go phasing, 10% attack speed is much worse than 6% dodge (if you run Blood rage, which is mandatory, 10% frenzy chance on kill is not even worth counting) and you also get phasing. And third, you don't go Raider for more dps, you go Raider for utility & defense, which Frenzy won't really provide (except +2% dodge if you run Darkray - because the tree only gives you one extra frenzy and slightly more MS depending on how you count Onslaught flask usage).

Can you update the passive skill tree with drillneck. Thank you!

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Accedie schrieb:

Your math is all wrong because you're counting equipment bonuses as part of Frenzy raider. You only get 1 extra Frenzy charge from it, not 3. And you don't go Way of the Poacher with Onslaught, you go phasing, 10% attack speed is much worse than 6% dodge (if you run Blood rage, which is mandatory, 10% frenzy chance on kill is not even worth counting) and you also get phasing. And third, you don't go Raider for more dps, you go Raider for utility & defense, which Frenzy won't really provide (except +2% dodge if you run Darkray - because the tree only gives you one extra frenzy and slightly more MS depending on how you count Onslaught flask usage).

7 frenzy in tree+kraitlyn, +1 avatar of the slaughter= 8. +2 corrupted darkray. 10
But yeah. its kindof silly to count a corrupted darkray giving +2 frenzy charges to justify slaughter line being better. then giving the onslaught raider just some random life boots.


While it does make sense to argue, maximizing frenzy to full effect if you go slaughter, you will be gearing for it.
but then we need to discuss what is the appropriate way to maximize onslaught.

skill effect, wont effect it when, gained via flask or 3k on kill. flask effect aught to via flask.(I mean to test this on my pathfinder soon. I can't tell at only 5%.)
But how does this work with onslaughts 50%? Alchemists?
20/20 as/ms. 25% effect+50% for 35/35?

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Accedie schrieb:

Your math is all wrong because you're counting equipment bonuses as part of Frenzy raider. You only get 1 extra Frenzy charge from it, not 3. And you don't go Way of the Poacher with Onslaught, you go phasing, 10% attack speed is much worse than 6% dodge (if you run Blood rage, which is mandatory, 10% frenzy chance on kill is not even worth counting) and you also get phasing. And third, you don't go Raider for more dps, you go Raider for utility & defense, which Frenzy won't really provide (except +2% dodge if you run Darkray - because the tree only gives you one extra frenzy and slightly more MS depending on how you count Onslaught flask usage).

7 frenzy in tree+kraitlyn, +1 avatar of the slaughter= 8. +2 corrupted darkray. 10
But yeah. its kindof silly to count a corrupted darkray giving +2 frenzy charges to justify slaughter line being better. then giving the onslaught raider just some random life boots.


While it does make sense to argue, maximizing frenzy to full effect if you go slaughter, you will be gearing for it.
but then we need to discuss what is the appropriate way to maximize onslaught.

skill effect, wont effect it when, gained via flask or 3k on kill. flask effect aught to via flask.(I mean to test this on my pathfinder soon. I can't tell at only 5%.)
But how does this work with onslaughts 50%? Alchemists?
20/20 as/ms. 25% effect+50% for 35/35?

I didn't give them some random life boots. A frenzy raider will take darkray vectors. I don't see any reason not to. And the onslaught raider will have what else in place of them? Probaby life/MS/resist boots. Is this not the only difference between the two raiders? If there are other differences, then they should be factored in.

lol... i came back to this game after an about 1 1/2 year absence. Was looking for a build, saw this one, and went for it. Running well so far.. :)

Then I heard about lootfilters.. searched for one, that met my requirements.. played a while witzh it, and thought it´s an amazing thing.

I just found out, that both were your´s .. so thanks a lot for providing me with a great "welcome back"-gaming experience.


So: A big "thx" from germany and have a nice one!

Has anyone considered running "Sharp and Venomous" with ? I ran with the gloves in Talisman before getting Maligaros and I thought they were pretty decent and obviously its easy to keep max frenzy charges even with the reduction from the gloves.

Specifically, you get life, increased attack speed, accuracy and anything that does not get one shot will have 40% increased chance to get crit from Sharp and Venomous.

Hey!

Really nice guide, recently started a ranger(lvl45) on HC Ascendancy league and I'm using this as a guideline.

I've got two question about auras.

Is it viable to use Herald of Ice + COH + AM with Reduced Mana + Hatred + Grace + Arctic Armor, or is too much? I don't even know if my mana will allow that. I've got the Charisma cluster.

Does Herald of Ice and COH/AM have to be linked with Hatred for best outcome?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Just noticed that Reduced mana doesn't effect reserved mana anymore, so don't mind queston one.

Is it any good to run both Herald of Ice and Herald of Ash with Hatred? Or should I use Ice, Hatred and Arctic Armour?

Hi NeverSink, first of all great job with the build, I love it. I have to ask some questions. I am level 50 in standard Perandus league for your information.

1) I skipped 1 or 2 frenzy nodes and I cannot refund them easily just now, so I'd like to know if 5-7 frenzy charges are enough for a player that aims to level 80-85 with no big claims. Also, I'd like to run Blood Rage, as a sc player I don't care too much about the negative effects of the skill.

2) Where the "levelling" zone ends? I'm currently at a2 Cruel and I want to get an Infractem+Thief's Torment for speeding up my path to end of Merciless, and replace them when I start mapping a bit more seriosuly later on.

Thanks to everyone that can clear my doubts :) .

this guide is great ...
however i have 2 questions ...


1, lot of people talk about Maligaro is not anymore worth in endgame because of crit nerf ...

what a re endgame posibilities now if we decide not to play with maligaro gloves ?



2. can u explain pls how Windreaper works ? i dont understand how that bow is good ...and SKill treee dont work ...



my ranger have 18k dps with lion glare on tornado ... wheni swap to Windreaper my dmg go to 7k ....