[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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skuadak schrieb:

I wonder why there's no love for crit strikes at all, it gives pretty much same effect as pcoc for most people with their total 3charges anyway and you don't need to recharge it

If you're referring to my last post then pretty much because as I said I use it only for atziri and can have the charges 100% up without even trying (I found out you can actually generate charges by hitting her when she's immune in the second phase because you can still hit-crit her) and with 20% quality you end up with 3% more crit chance. But yeah I agree against pretty much everything other than Atziri it is better to go increased critical strikes. Still looking for an answer to my last post btw.

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MuFeR schrieb:

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skuadak schrieb:

I wonder why there's no love for crit strikes at all, it gives pretty much same effect as pcoc for most people with their total 3charges anyway and you don't need to recharge it

If you're referring to my last post then pretty much because as I said I use it only for atziri and can have the charges 100% up without even trying (I found out you can actually generate charges by hitting her when she's immune in the second phase because you can still hit-crit her) and with 20% quality you end up with 3% more crit chance. But yeah I agree with pretty much everything other than Atziri it may be better. Still looking for an answer to my last post btw.

no no, it's just always when improving crit chance is an issue it's always pcoc. Then I peek at profile and 90% don't even have extracharges.

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skuadak schrieb:

no no, it's just always when improving crit chance is an issue it's always pcoc. Then I peek at profile and 90% don't even have extracharges.

You dont need extra power charges for this build. And you dont need PCoC or Increased Critical Strikes gems either, btw. They are nice gems, but BETTER options exist, even for 6-link.

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MortalKombat3 schrieb:

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skuadak schrieb:

no no, it's just always when improving crit chance is an issue it's always pcoc. Then I peek at profile and 90% don't even have extracharges.

You dont need extra power charges for this build. And you dont need PCoC or Increased Critical Strikes gems either, btw. They are nice gems, but BETTER options exist, even for 6-link.

lemme guess, phys to lighting and wed of course?

no ty


p.s. sure that almost capped c chance is overkill and luxury, but damn, so sweet one

I run all over the place leaving just shattered ice everywhere
And sight of necro trying to do something when you shatter his all minions is hilarius

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skuadak schrieb:

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MortalKombat3 schrieb:

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skuadak schrieb:

no no, it's just always when improving crit chance is an issue it's always pcoc. Then I peek at profile and 90% don't even have extracharges.

You dont need extra power charges for this build. And you dont need PCoC or Increased Critical Strikes gems either, btw. They are nice gems, but BETTER options exist, even for 6-link.

lemme guess, phys to lighting and wed of course?

no ty


p.s. sure that almost capped c chance is overkill and luxury, but damn, so sweet one

I run all over the place leaving just shattered ice everywhere
And sight of necro trying to do something when you shatter his all minions is hilarius

No, you guessed it wrong bro.
Physical damage is king. Your first 4 supports are kinda obvious - 1 mandatory skill-specific support (GMP for Tornado and Chain for SA), 3 "DPS" supports - PPaD, Slower Projectiles and Faster Attacks. And in last slot, you put Increased Critical Damage for pure physical (it should give a bit more DPS generally). Although on second thought, Increased Critical Strike will improve clearing speed VS packs, where you usually oneshot things (as "oneshots" - crits - will happen more often). You can also use Physical to Lightning is that slot against packs, that dont happen to have high lightning resist (or shock resist). You can even use Item Rarity for better loot - if you oneshot enemies anyway, why care about more DPS?
So, your colour 6-link setup will 5 green + 1 blue. 5 greens are "set in stone", and 6-th can be changed according to situation - it is a very solid and versatile setup. Even when you face physical reflect map, you can put Lightning Arrow there, swap any green gem with Mana Leech, put Physical to Lightning into your blue slot - and with certain care and intent, you will clear that map too!

It's an interesting point you guys raise about both elemental resistance and leech, both valid, but I can't say I've encountered either.

It's true that leech is pretty bad now in 2.0 and you want to maximise your phys DPS - but are you really having trouble leeching vs packs? It's single target where the leech problems are, and I guess you aren't using Split Arrow vs a single target. Perhaps it's because I use:


As for mana problems, I have none, not even on single target, and I don't use a mana flask.

Now, as for elemental resistances resulting in lower real DPS vs higher tooltip of PTL, perhaps it is true. I one shot packs anyway so I can't say it's a problem I'm having. Theoretically, the shock stacks of PTL should also make up for extra resistances.

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MortalKombat3 schrieb:

No, you guessed it wrong bro.
Physical damage is king. Your first 4 supports are kinda obvious - 1 mandatory skill-specific support (GMP for Tornado and Chain for SA), 3 "DPS" supports - PPaD, Slower Projectiles and Faster Attacks. And in last slot, you put Increased Critical Damage for pure physical (it should give a bit more DPS generally). Although on second thought, Increased Critical Strike will improve clearing speed VS packs, where you usually oneshot things (as "oneshots" - crits - will happen more often). You can also use Physical to Lightning is that slot against packs, that dont happen to have high lightning resist (or shock resist). You can even use Item Rarity for better loot - if you oneshot enemies anyway, why care about more DPS?
So, your colour 6-link setup will 5 green + 1 blue. 5 greens are "set in stone", and 6-th can be changed according to situation - it is a very solid and versatile setup. Even when you face physical reflect map, you can put Lightning Arrow there, swap any green gem with Mana Leech, put Physical to Lightning into your blue slot - and with certain care and intent, you will clear that map too!

besides that ovious my ass with that chain, I see your point and agree. For sure red socket wasn't good idea at the end. Althought I left both crits, I just dig their reliability. Gimme 5 min, I will know more

EDIT.

I read it properly, so that's what you meant about crit gems.

You see thep point is that I'm not particulary wealthy and if not that crit dmg I'm not sure what would I put there, srsly

EDIT.

Blue it is. See? I should've listen u and color it 5g1b

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Sotto_voce schrieb:

It's an interesting point you guys raise about both elemental resistance and leech, both valid, but I can't say I've encountered either.

It's true that leech is pretty bad now in 2.0 and you want to maximise your phys DPS - but are you really having trouble leeching vs packs? It's single target where the leech problems are, and I guess you aren't using Split Arrow vs a single target. Perhaps it's because I use:

As for mana problems, I have none, not even on single target, and I don't use a mana flask.

Now, as for elemental resistances resulting in lower real DPS vs higher tooltip of PTL, perhaps it is true. I one shot packs anyway so I can't say it's a problem I'm having. Theoretically, the shock stacks of PTL should also make up for extra resistances.

ptl is totaly reliable and fine if you like it, it has it's issues, bu I just wanna go mostly pure phys and that bastard converts your toolpit into about 6/10 lighting, and I were running actually ele ranger in disguse for whole 1.3. I went so radical that I had slightly leech problem even then so I needed to use warlords mark. etc.


Btw. even if afaik shock doesn't stack anymore still 50% more dmg isn't bad

ok, one question and answer me honestly:

crematorium boss:

1: Faster attack all the way I stand there and rape or give me your strategy
2. Whatever, phys attack, puncture hide, evade, pick up loot later.

and no, i did the map 100 times, flas helps for 2.5 seconds, you pop it, you have to move anyway,, then you have to shoot...

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Sotto_voce schrieb:

It's an interesting point you guys raise about both elemental resistance and leech, both valid, but I can't say I've encountered either.

It's true that leech is pretty bad now in 2.0 and you want to maximise your phys DPS - but are you really having trouble leeching vs packs? It's single target where the leech problems are, and I guess you aren't using Split Arrow vs a single target. Perhaps it's because I use:

As for mana problems, I have none, not even on single target, and I don't use a mana flask.

Now, as for elemental resistances resulting in lower real DPS vs higher tooltip of PTL, perhaps it is true. I one shot packs anyway so I can't say it's a problem I'm having. Theoretically, the shock stacks of PTL should also make up for extra resistances.

Same here. Using PtL, but have no mana issues.

I think another large part (in addition to PtL) which is causing mana issues is people using the Faster Attacks gem. In my opinion you should only be using that gem if you're already oneshotting everything, and/or if you have no mana issues.

Why?
Because FA doesn't do anything for single hit damage, but it does make every hit cost more mana. Sure, your DPS goes up, but that's only because you're shooting more times/sec. I'd rather socket a gem like Added Fire damage, and oneshot everything, than use FA, and having to shoot twice and thus use 2x the amount of mana.

Besides, who need FA when you've got 7 Frenzy charges?

Of course it all comes down to personal opinion of how you like to play. But I just think that a lot of players looking at such a guide think that FA is a must have gem in your TS/SA setup, which I don't think it is. If you don't have the mana your attack speed is useless.

Hope you guys get my point. Not saying FA is bad, because it most definately is not, it's just not suitable for everyone. You have to meet certain requirements for it to be usefull to you, and untill you meet them, you're better off socketing another damage gem.