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Apart of whose combo is optimal (mine ofc) - is there anything besides ptl and HoT that can gives me that shocks? Something that don't converts my phys and don't reserve mana. I can even use added lighting, doesn't matter (i know that's flat ele doesnt work optimal, but I care about shocks here and that's it)

Can you explain to me the difference between Hatred/Hoa and tripple heralds ?

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velislav87 schrieb:

Can you explain to me the difference between Hatred/Hoa and tripple heralds ?

If you have a good pDPS bow Hatred/HoA is categorically superior

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Sotto_voce schrieb:

Power Charge on Crit in your 6L clearly isn't optimal.

SA - Chain - AF - WED - PTL - PPAD gives more DPS with no charges than with PCOC instead of PTL.
Now if you can build the charges another way, the difference isn't even close.


edit: For clarity PTL + 0 Charges = more DPS than PCoC + 4 charges

but monsters resist that damage type more, you are leeching less mana and life since elemental does nothing for leech.

In maps lvl 75 and up mobs have around 40% elemental resists unless they get more via mods, and they have similar amount of armour. now armor is not flat, the harder the physical hit, the less effective the armour is. I would put my money on physical any time. In fact, I would put my money on that tolltip that says 30K (80% of it physical) will do up to 40% more actual damage than the setup that says 50K (80% elemental).

It's like that in my experience. It's easy to test too.

And again, elemental damage, in patch 2.0, is problematic for leeching. On large packs? No problems. On single target or 2-3 targets? give it 4-5 seconds - out of mana. On single target fight - you need a mana flask. Even with mostly physical you are very short of needing a mana flask. ~1.2% mana leech off of ~1000 phys dmg per hit? And your 6 link eats 42 per shot? Gimme a break please. (and don't come at me with Glyph Mark and two diamond rings with phys damage on them like that's a standard issue for every ranger once it reaches lvl 80)

Some people need to go back to the basics and remember why melee abandoned elemental damage and why there is no chance in hell that you can sell elemental based thicket bow or sword for anything more than a couple of alchs. It's not the node nerfs, it's the resists of mobs to elemental damage and lack of resist to true damage - physical damage.

Folks with voltaic bows do similar clear speeds with 15K~17K dps as people with harbringers with 50-60K eDps. (Introduce a 400dps voltaxic with 1.3 aps and 8% base crit and no one will mirror Glyph Mark)

Personally, I do faster runs with 30K 80% physical (20ish% elemental) setup than 45K 80% elemental setup. I have more life leech, more mana, almost no mana issues. What I love the most - I don't care if monsters are more or less resistant to some element.
Yes, elemental damage comes in handy, especially when you exhaust all gems that give physical benefits and we all love elemental effects on mobs (frozen > shattered) but tooltip dps alone cannot be trusted to give you information on the resulting effects and clear times.

Personalty, I will always take 10% more phys dmg than 10% more attack speed or 20% more elemental damage. And while I do have bunch of elemental damage in my gear - it's due to the lack of choice.

I encourage you to think about this, and to think and read about armour mechanics and try to compare it to flat ele resist mechanics, think about it what it does for you and up to what point, then apply that to monsters.
I do not mean to start a fight or to offend anyone's opinion, but really, comparing a 2000phys dmg bear trap damage to a mob and 2000 fire trap fire ele damage to a mob (I am talking lvl 70+ mob not lvl 40) is like a night and day. It's more almost if not double the damage in favor of physical.

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Idiot above me made a wall of text that hardly anyone will read and I like my tooltip 35K dps with 300-700 physical in it, pumped with frenzy and unique bottle I has made a 300K dps build guide cause with some pcoc and frenzy and blood rage and 1000 arrows per second I take a screenshot to prove it! (then I run out of mana and have to pop and move)

edit: yea, seriously, there is a guide just like that, even providing a 20 minute long video of 'death and taxes' to prove how good that build is. I am not joking. Dude seriously has 300K dps at some point and he cant kill trash mobs in taxes map.

I agree
But that's heresy, toolpit can be either highest possible (optimal) or not (not optimal). But I puke out of using almost pure ele on the outcome after 1.3 (phys to light particulary) Going back phys was good idea and timing also wasn't bad (leech nerf i mean)

So far I'm using the TS - GMP - PPAD - FA - PTL - WED setup but the more I read this thread and the more it looks like it isn't a great idea in the end.

What are you suggesting instead and why?

such SA, you may want to put chain there thought in place of added fire or faster attacks. It has great range, is(imo) AoEish enough as it is, don't eat tons of mana. But it needs separate single target, so if you like to have many utility skills its' not for you. Best is check it for yourself and see if you like it or not.


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Also, most players wouldn't use crit strikes but ph to lighting, but I got tired of it.

P.P.S Most "clasic"(?) setup would be probably;SA-ppad-chain-crit damage-phys to light-wed;

I'd like some opinions for my 6l frenzy setup since i don't have some 20/20 gems to see the tooltip dps difference.

Currently I run Frenzy+PPAD+Slower Projectiles+FA+Added Fire+PCoC (PCoC because I use this setup mostly for atziri where there's no way to generate power charges)

the other two setups I was thinking are
1)Swap out PCoC for Increased Crit Dmg
2)Swap out both PCoC and Added Fire for PTL+WED

or you can suggest something else but keep in mind I want this setup mostly for atziri because i burn down map bosses pretty fast with TS anyway.

I wonder why there's no love for crit strikes at all, it gives pretty much same effect as pcoc for most people with their total 3charges anyway and you don't need to recharge it