​[Feedback] Address Defensive Disparity: Proposed ES Nerfs for 0.5.0

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karsey#2995 schrieb:

I'm not sure that ES in general is over powered, I think it's mostly CI.

I honestly don't even think CI is op. I think it's the amount of affixes that Armour and Evasion have to dedicate to get their defense to the same level as ES or ES + CI.

Flat + percent + life + applies to elemental AND some form of life regen.

ES get regen for free and doesn't need some extra ES specific affix. Even if ES power is equal to the others, it will still feel stronger.

ES is not overpowered. Outside of big numbers nothing is really there. CI does not save you from danger. Big slams can hurt you hard. You still need elemental resistance. Without CI You still need chaos resistance because for example one explosive pod in ritual cap pop your 7000 es pool in one shot. Since OG Grim Feast gone there is not defensive layers outside if crappy Convalescense. With CI you need to stop getting damage and invest in faster recharging. Ignite can easily kill you and nothing you can do about it.

Yeah, one year later because of Armor and Evasion being copium defenses that barely works outside of high end builds, we still blame ES because it's better instead of pushing developers to make change in that regard. And thats why ES wins simply by not being weird. Just stack big numbers that easily understandable compare to what a fk is that idiocracy that are Armor/EV ratings.

Armour and evasion themselves are OK. But the life number is low. 3% increasing nodes in tree? Ridiculous! And there are nodes, which decreasing life (Goring, Giant's Blood).
Either, I think, that CI is OK. Just buff life builds.

ES like in my OP needs work. You just get too much with very little effort. Something’s gotta give with ES as you just get too much of too many different mechanics.

The devs with ziggy even acknowledged they don’t like its placement in balance either.



Life though I think baseline with life rolls on gear…

3-3.5k. without being a titan or needing a shield mod, should be achievable without min max



Pretty modest and not over the top buff. Think that’s perfectly fine.


Armour needs 0 work done to it. The armour applied to ele mod makes a disgusting difference. Probably my favorite mod in the game.


I can’t speak for evasion though.

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Mashgesture#2912 schrieb:

ES like in my OP needs work. You just get too much with very little effort. Something’s gotta give with ES as you just get too much of too many different mechanics.

The devs with ziggy even acknowledged they don’t like its placement in balance either.

Agreed, Mark even mentioned ES is not balanced compared to other defensive mechanics.