What happened to Engaging Combat? Video Feedback.

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KäsePizza#3007 schrieb:

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IonSugeRau1#1069 schrieb:

Oh wow.. now you're making the Carpal Tunnel argument. You're going through the full list, aren't you? You better stay true to the list and mention disabled people too, like Zizaran did!

Ah yes, another hard fact here from the gentleman... EVERYONE ELSE, except me.. is saying what you're saying and agrees with you. Mhm, yeah. 👍

Ok. Thank you for your valuable opinion. You can go now. Byeee! 🙏 👋

Maybe stop the fighting tho, it's true what cowmoo275 said in the end. We shouldn't be here fighting for who is right or wrong in his vision of the game. Ofc we can defend what we think is a better direction, but he has as much of a right to be here with his own opinion as any of us.

His whole argument is that it's impossible, he's not trying to help with anything. Guys like him is the reason the game is in this state to begin with. He's already convinced that it's impossible and he's just trying to push back against it... with really bad arguments too. No, let me rephrase that... he most likely doesn't actually believe it's impossible, he just doesn't want it and tries to convince us that it's impossible so we give up on it and GGG as well.

If he would've said he just likes the power creep and that's his preference I wouldn't be as upset with that but he keeps trying to invalidate from the start the whole purpose of this thread.

It's as if he's basically saying "You guys are dumb, I know better then anyone including GGG, it's impossible!"

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

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IonSugeRau1#1069 schrieb:

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IonSugeRau1#1069 schrieb:

I don't know if it's already too late for the game to break free from it's past, but at the very least I know I've tried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk7fx9FM0rI


I also want to mention that Dreamcore made a pretty good video on the topic, even if I don't really agree with his takeaway at the end of it.

His conclusion is expected though... he is a PoE1 CC so of course he'd be more inclined towards that outcome, like all of them. But his assessments are correct for the most part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkeVq5Jnqzg

Improved the video a tiny bit at the end with an example of how a good boss fight should look like.

For that I showed a boss fight from V Rising which does a very good job when it comes to combat feel.

Comparing a game where you can't build op shit, because there's is a very limited amount of upgrades and variations you can do, to a game where the passive tree alone has more nodes than V rising has items. Good job. Complexity understood -> no.

Really pisses me off how people try to envision poe with V rising design. Theres no build making, no varied loot, no passive tree, theres nothing. Its a conan/rust with moba elements. The main focus is literally basebuilding and pvp, they just happened to add some above average pve on a very small scale as the main method for acquiring recipes.
Its such a lazy thought process man.

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SkilloSkillo#0062 schrieb:

Really pisses me off how people try to envision poe with V rising design. Theres no build making, no varied loot, no passive tree, theres nothing. Its a conan/rust with moba elements. The main focus is literally basebuilding and pvp, they just happened to add some above average pve on a very small scale as the main method for acquiring recipes.
Its such a lazy thought process man.

Feel free to give other examples if you think mine isn't that good.

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SkilloSkillo#0062 schrieb:

Really pisses me off how people try to envision poe with V rising design. Theres no build making, no varied loot, no passive tree, theres nothing. Its a conan/rust with moba elements. The main focus is literally basebuilding and pvp, they just happened to add some above average pve on a very small scale as the main method for acquiring recipes.
Its such a lazy thought process man.

A discussion got to start somewhere. If you think its that bad to add a bossfight like this, I would imagine you either played VRising or saw enought about it. Then maybe start with why it wouldnt work and maybe there are ideas how to make it work.

Items are way too powerful. Things like 1k es chest or 1k dps weapons or +5 level on items should not even exists. Stacking movement speed runes into 100% effect boots etc. I mean if they make it possible people will find a way to achieve it.

The game is way way too easy first off.

Second off, before 0.1 dropped GGG had stated MANY MANY times to us POE 1 players "Don't worry, in the endgame POE 2 and POE 1 are very similar"

They literally delivered what they promised, however not everyone saw little interviews from before the game even launched. many never heard of it until it went kinda viral.

They are now realizing they promising a game that turns from one thing to the other, effectively making BOTH sides unhappy lol.

The zoomers are pissed campaign is slow (ME) and the slow combo players are upset the endgame isn't like the campaign.

They've really got both sides to agree something isn't right :)

What's with the AI voice?

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Ispita#4020 schrieb:

Items are way too powerful. Things like 1k es chest or 1k dps weapons or +5 level on items should not even exists. Stacking movement speed runes into 100% effect boots etc. I mean if they make it possible people will find a way to achieve it.

+1, too many damage buckets and multipliers. There's like 6 multiplicative scalings on weapons alone… can't balance that without making t1 mods like 10% increased physical damage…

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paulius86#5631 schrieb:

here is my take how to solve current problems:

1. Slow mobs the fuck down at least 3x, increase mobs hp 2x whites 3x blues 5x rares uniques
2. Remove +6 to skills, leave like +2 max
3. Reduce all numbers on gear at least 30%, reduce speed multipliers on gear 50%
4. Increase impact on skill tree
5. If skills can be combo used, increase effect of combos at least 50%
6. Many skills need to be added like some movement, defensive skills.

These changes would be good start, all numbers in the game need to be smaller, so you can start balancing game how you want, gear in poe2 is so insane, that RNG in campaign can determine if you like the game or you hate it.

I don't think the mob speed is the big problem, more like the speed in combination with the density. I can do something against 2 whites jumping at me, but not against 50.

Also I don't think the magic and especially the rare monster design work well for the combat they wanted. Good discussion for that here https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3855808

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KäsePizza#3007 schrieb:

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Ispita#4020 schrieb:

Items are way too powerful. Things like 1k es chest or 1k dps weapons or +5 level on items should not even exists. Stacking movement speed runes into 100% effect boots etc. I mean if they make it possible people will find a way to achieve it.

+1, too many damage buckets and multipliers. There's like 6 multiplicative scalings on weapons alone… can't balance that without making t1 mods like 10% increased physical damage…

in POE 1 they balanced it by monsters having significantly more health. Sounds simple -- and it is. In POE 2 there is almost no difference from a T1 to a T15, in POE 1 a lot of people hit a "wall" at T12 maps and struggle to continue.

POE 2 is just too easy, because all the mobs have almost zero health. The same bow I used to blow up multiple screens at level 68 I was using at level 92... T1 or T16, didn't matter, 1 click = 3 screens explode.


The monsters have zero health scaling, so there's almost no difference between map tiers.