PoE Forums Are Broken – How to Fix Toxicity & Engagement

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Nobody wants to silence feedback. To me it sounds like you want to put yourself into a victim position because you experienced that. You made a rage post and someone called you a whiner or a baby.


my beef to put it more simply is this. there is a faction on this forum that repeatedly tries to discredit other voices or invalidate what they have to say. that is a waaaay different thing than someone being upset about the product. i dont how i can spell that out more clearly.
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dmc9014#4875 schrieb:
no i dont see that as an equivalency. the person upset about the game is on topic. he is providing feedback about his experience playing the game.

the others are getting upset about someone complaining. that isnt about the game. its reduces signal to noise ratios and is the primary source of toxicity. because its an attack on an individual simply because they have an opinion that doesnt match their own.

to say no one here wants to silence feedback. that is a bold faced lie.


Yes, you may be right that even being toxic is an "opinion". But we have to look at the trade-off. We see here live what happens if people are allowed to be toxic: Topic derail non-stop, players attack each other, well-written feedback gets way less attention because the topic that are emotionaly heated up get more attention.

So at some point we have to ask: Is it worth to allow toxicity just to allow "any kind feedback"? And are we ready to pay the price for that kind of "freedom"?

I would like to discuss all kind of topics and criticism in a constructive manner and that is, right now, not possible. The few people who are toxic are way to loud and those who are civil post less and less.
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dmc9014#4875 schrieb:
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Nobody wants to silence feedback. To me it sounds like you want to put yourself into a victim position because you experienced that. You made a rage post and someone called you a whiner or a baby.


my beef to put it more simply is this. there is a faction on this forum that repeatedly tries to discredit other voices or invalidate what they have to say. that is a waaaay different thing than someone being upset about the product. i dont how i can spell that out more clearly.


A faction implies its an organised Group. That is not the case.
And i dont think anybody wants to silence someone else. Can you give an example. Cause i dont think thats the case.
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Gang5ter15#1071 schrieb:
The point is simple. Toxic behaviour should not be supported. Toxic feedback should be tolerated.
If you make a rage post you can easily change that post and make it not toxic. The amount of insults to the developer in some posts is insane.

But can we get back to the actual issue. Of basically no moderation at all despite some insults getting removed by support.
You cna right now create 2 sticky posts with Feedback for Death Penalty and Feedback for Performance. And then you cna merge every new thread about this into the sticky thread. '
And you get rid of a lot of threads this way.


I for example have no issue with one portal or citadel generation.
I dont like the infinite Atlas and made a suggestion on how to change it nobody even reacted to it. Not enough Drama in the thread.
And i doint really have an issue with Towers. They are annoying but you can deal with it. I would prefer if a tower always has a boss at the end. So using Tier 15 on it is actually worth it. They are good for Delired Maps tho.


I agree with your points in a sense, I just think what you're trying to put on the table is "useless" for this forum specifically.
This feedback forum should exist to help GGG understand where they're making wrong decisions. End of story.
Discussions only help them see different points of view and weight the arguments in favor and against changes.

People being toxic when complaining is just more data for them to evaluate: why are users so emotional about their failures? Are the players immature or is GGG messing up that bad?

Sure, things like personally attacking others should be moderated, but that's it IMO. People being toxic towards the game shouldn't be an issue (and I don't think I've ever seen it being removed)...

By the way, I criticize GGG a lot in these forums but never had my posts altered for that.
The only times they edited what I said was when I told one user to not feed trolls because they're pathetic and seek attention (I literally used the word "pathetic" by the way), and to remove the name of an extremely famous public person that allegedly plays this game and was one of the top HC players...
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A faction implies its an organised Group. That is not the case.
And i dont think anybody wants to silence someone else. Can you give an example. Cause i dont think thats the case.


you are correct, faction wasnt the best choice.

heres titles from a very quick search.

They already nerfed Sanctum because of noobs who wouldn't stop crying
Stop moaning and crying that "ThE gAmE iS tOo DiffICulT" - it's meant to be
Here's a smack upside the head for all the whiners. THIS IS EARLY ACCESS: DEEP BREATH!
KEEP IGNORING THESE COMPlAINERS
Stop whining like a child.
Can't people just stop with the whining already?
Please quit whining like a toddler
Feedback: The game is not "too hard." Do not listen to the senseless whining, GGG.

common thread with alot of these. the attempt to invalidate or silence other people. again ill repeat it. that is way different than complaining about a product.
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dmc9014#4875 schrieb:
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Nobody wants to silence feedback. To me it sounds like you want to put yourself into a victim position because you experienced that. You made a rage post and someone called you a whiner or a baby.


my beef to put it more simply is this. there is a faction on this forum that repeatedly tries to discredit other voices or invalidate what they have to say. that is a waaaay different thing than someone being upset about the product. i dont how i can spell that out more clearly.


It's simple - your criticism is not free from criticism.

If some states something subjective - there is no real opposition to make.
Sure, ppl can provide possible solutions if it is a problem that has a solution because not everyone is aware of everything, but subjective feedback is not what gets "attacked" here.

It becomes a problem when ppl present their subjective feedback as objectivity and becomes worse when they make up stuff to "back up" their claims.
It's not surprising that ppl dislike to deal with this stuff.
The problem with this community's toxic forum posters is that they have formed a parasocial relationship with the Devs. They think Johnathan and Mark are their real-life pals and godfathers of their imagined children. This combined with their mistaken belief that this is a high-skill game and not a one-button game makes them prideful and arrogant. So what you get is a pathetic toxic-positivity White Knight problem (like you see in a game like FFXIV) crossed with a toxic elitist problem (like you see in a game like Dark Souls).

There's like 3-5 power posters here who troll any thread giving negative feedback of the game. Unsurprisingly, at least one of them showed up within the first few replies of this thread.
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dmc9014#4875 schrieb:
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A faction implies its an organised Group. That is not the case.
And i dont think anybody wants to silence someone else. Can you give an example. Cause i dont think thats the case.


you are correct, faction wasnt the best choice.

heres titles from a very quick search.

They already nerfed Sanctum because of noobs who wouldn't stop crying
Stop moaning and crying that "ThE gAmE iS tOo DiffICulT" - it's meant to be
Here's a smack upside the head for all the whiners. THIS IS EARLY ACCESS: DEEP BREATH!
KEEP IGNORING THESE COMPlAINERS
Stop whining like a child.
Can't people just stop with the whining already?
Please quit whining like a toddler
Feedback: The game is not "too hard." Do not listen to the senseless whining, GGG.

common thread with alot of these. the attempt to invalidate or silence other people. again ill repeat it. that is way different than complaining about a product.


I dont see how that will silence anyone. Its more about "please GGG stop listening to these people" in a very unfriendly manner.
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The problem with this community's toxic forum posters is that they have formed a parasocial relationship with the Devs. They think Johnathan and Mark are their real-life pals and godfathers of their imagined children. This combined with their mistaken belief that this is a high-skill game and not a one-button game makes them prideful and arrogant. So what you get is a pathetic toxic-positivity White Knight problem (like you see in a game like FFXIV) crossed with a toxic elitist problem (like you see in a game like Dark Souls).

There's like 3-5 power posters here who troll any thread giving negative feedback of the game. Unsurprisingly, at least one of them showed up within the first few replies of this thread.


You don't realise that what you wrote is pure toxicity?
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The problem with this community's toxic forum posters is that they have formed a parasocial relationship with the Devs. They think Johnathan and Mark are their real-life pals and godfathers of their imagined children. This combined with their mistaken belief that this is a high-skill game and not a one-button game makes them prideful and arrogant. So what you get is a pathetic toxic-positivity White Knight problem (like you see in a game like FFXIV) crossed with a toxic elitist problem (like you see in a game like Dark Souls).

There's like 3-5 power posters here who troll any thread giving negative feedback of the game. Unsurprisingly, at least one of them showed up within the first few replies of this thread.


First your post is toxic.

I have that issue with TFT the TFT Community is weird. They really hate complains about the developer. Mortdog (lead designer) is their god and saviour. To some of them. Say anything about him and expect to get into heated discussions. Have a different opinion than them and they go crazy. Its funny. And yes i know saying this is fairly toxic.
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