👻3.20👻 Kay's Summoner💥SRS Bomber💀Poison SRS💀Melee SRS🕷️Spiders💀Skeleton Mages

Anyone know the exact increase in dps for Awakened Spell Echo? does it worth the 20ex that is going for right know? , POB doesnt change the dps at all with the awakened version, also any opinions in Volley vs GMP vs Awakened GMP

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kayella schrieb:

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Wuzlo schrieb:

That's who I'm going for, sadly no luck yet. I'll update when I finally manage to get one so others can nab them too (If no one has them yet)

Do you still need it? I have it in my bank.

where are you getting demon harpies? i'm trying to see if they are in the standard drop pool. nobody seems to be able to tell me if they are or are not in the pool

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Devilator schrieb:

On the topic of support minions, specifically for spider build but it applies to others too:

The problem is inconsistency. The golem and the spectres can survive most endgame boss fights without any problems, but some map bosses, harbingers, and occasionally random packs kill them instantly. This also means that healing on the minions wouldn't have helped.

This makes me wonder two things:

- Will the support minions be practically unkillable once fully minmaxed?

- If they are acting more like a win more buff and the spiders are powerful enough without them, is there anything else that could take their place?

If you look at Top Players on poe.ninja some use AG and Golem and others don't

Ancient Skull has "Minions have 20-40% reduced max. Life"

Not a +2/+3 Minion Skill Lvl

And you have not +2 Minions Skill Level from Necro and not 20% inc. Life
and With the Dagger you have not +1 Minions Skill gems / +1 spell gems from a wand

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Aijendo schrieb:

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Diemian schrieb:

Running skelly mages, anything I can improve until I can afford the crazy expensive cluster jewels?

Also running amulet of stars, Is there any changes to what supports we use with the amulet?

A) Put "Death Attunement" on you Amulet = 5 free skill points
Carrion Golem is pretty useless with Skele Mages imho
You need a Cluster with "Blessed Rebirth"


B)

With my Ashes of the Stars Amulet (18% inc. Reservation eff. of Skills)
I now can use

- Determination
- Zealotry (with Generosity)
- Tempest Shield
- Defiance Banner
- Precision Level Lvl 6

And have 75 Mana (Summon Skeletons 36 Mana)

Thanks for the info. Any ideas on a good starter budget large gem?

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Aijendo schrieb:

If you look at Top Players on poe.ninja some use AG and Golem and others don't

Ancient Skull has "Minions have 20-40% reduced max. Life"

Not a +2/+3 Minion Skill Lvl

And you have not +2 Minions Skill Level from Necro and not 20% inc. Life
and With the Dagger you have not +1 Minions Skill gems / +1 spell gems from a wand

My point was about inconsistency, not lack of tankiness.

What I described also happened in low tier red maps, with my necro spec and gear, so the supports had +5 levels and more health buffs.

They are doing fine now at t16 and atlas bosses with occultist spec and no extra levels (waiting for empower to kick in lol). Except when they get killed super fast by seemingly random enemies.

That, and the fact that in this build we are dedicating a 6L to the support minions, is what prompted my two questions.

For spiders, I know my setup for the support minions was not the greatest and still has some leveling to go but I solved my T16 super juiced problem for the most part by running awakened melee splash (lvl 1, 8c) rather than multistrike.

The DPS fell off quite a bit for single target (still melts map bosses in less than 10 seconds), but it works a lot better to instantly clear out dozens of small monsters from packs like the Super Harby which were blowing up my support minions. It helps with clear speed as well and I am basically sprinting through T16 maps on a ~5ex budget.

What do I get first for skelemgaes: 6 link (currently 5 link without critdamage support) or cluster jewels or ghatsly eye jewels?
Currently able to do shaper's guardians, takes about 3min at Minotaur, so what would be the better choice?

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Grumpyrock schrieb:

For spiders, I know my setup for the support minions was not the greatest and still has some leveling to go but I solved my T16 super juiced problem for the most part by running awakened melee splash (lvl 1, 8c) rather than multistrike.

The DPS fell off quite a bit for single target (still melts map bosses in less than 10 seconds), but it works a lot better to instantly clear out dozens of small monsters from packs like the Super Harby which were blowing up my support minions. It helps with clear speed as well and I am basically sprinting through T16 maps on a ~5ex budget.

I tried that in a few maps, didn't notice any difference to be honest. Profane Bloom blows up entire packs instantly anyway.

One thing is for certain, even regular Harbinger packs delete my spectres and golem almost instantly if the minions get near (and they will because frenzy) regardless of map level. Meanwhile Burning Exarch didn't even scratch them.

If I dive into the Harbinger packs, I just need to watch my health. But there are other things that can kill me that don't hurt my supports at all. Idk, I will try to make them as strong as I can and see how it goes.

I like playing Skele Mages and have never played with Arakaali Spiders.

I have tested a bit in Standard the build and be not sure if I should keep investing in Skele Mages or switch to Spiders?

For those who played Skele Mages and now Spiders, I think on a budget Skele Mages is better in Mapping and Spiders scale better in Bossing on the other Hand, Spiders should be King of Simulacrum but maybe with way more EX in gear compared to Skele Mages.

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kayella schrieb:

• 2x Large: 8 points. Call to the Slaughter, Renewal, Rotten Claws (Don't allocate!)

Rotten Claws pushes Renewal and Call to the Slaughter in front of the sockets. So we can save passive points by taking just the notable before the sockets (spend 5 points on 8pt jewel).

Is Rotten Claws the only 3rd passive that pushes Renewal + Call to the Slaughter in front? Are there other passives that acts the same way?

If a mod combination of Renewal+Call+X also works, that would make it a lot easier to achieve/buy as these 3 exact skills are very expensive.

Edit: I've tried it out in PoB and these are my findings. If anyone can actually test these in-game and let us know that'd be great!

8 Passive Large Cluster, getting Renewal + Call to The Slaughter + [Random passive], only spending 5 points is possible with:
- Renewal, Call to The Slaughter, Raze and Pillage
- Renewal, Call to The Slaughter, Rotten Claws

Not possible:
- Renewal, Call to The Slaughter, Vicious Bite
- Renewal, Call to The Slaughter, Skeletal Atrophy
- Renewal, Call to The Slaughter, Feasting Fiends
- Renewal, Call to The Slaughter, Primordial Bond