[3.21] 🌿Ultimate Claw Poison Pathfinder - Untouchable Viper - Molten Strike update by FEL

Very cool. I think you'll like it. I forgot to add, you can focus on Chaos res, too -- I think mine's only at 72, but was at 75 before I shuffled gear around. Feel free to ask me questions. I took mine to 95, fiddled with another build, but am coming back to this to finish out the season and maybe get close to 100... so I'm in optimization mode. Just ditched Tribal Fury on ammy for Dirty Techniques (I think it does more dmg. than Corruption once you have a lot of dmg scaling already, but could be wrong), but have yet to test it.

Another idea for the gem setups here: What about Rage support for Whirling Blades?
I mean, having Rage is definitely a nice thing. Stacking it up does take a while of course, but in Simulacrums or longer maps it should actually reach max. And even if it doesn't, some rage is better than nothing.
As we established: Faster Attacks is pretty much useless, so is Blood Magic (in my opinion).

I will try Rage out and maybe update about the success of it.

Edit: This is actually amazing!

Granted: for normal maps it doesn't do much for me, because I just one tap everything anyway, so I juiced a Maze of the Minotaur with 5 Delirium Orbs to test it. Once with rage, once without it. The bosskill is actually considerably faster with Rage. Stacking it up to 50 is easily possible during the map, if you don't oneshot stuff (which I can't on 100% delirious maps), so it's literally 50% Attack Damage, 25% Attack Speed and 10% movement speed pretty much for free.

Of course it won't do anything to a boss like sirus with more immune than damage phases, but I think on uber elder it should actually be possible to stack it up quite a bit.

I will definitely keep Rage in for a while now to test it further. 10/10 so far, can absolutely recommend.

Edit #2: Does PoB not support rage calculation? My DPS stays the same at 50 rage, as it is at 0.

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Corioliss schrieb:

Another idea for the gem setups here: What about Rage support for Whirling Blades?
I mean, having Rage is definitely a nice thing. Stacking it up does take a while of course, but in Simulacrums or longer maps it should actually reach max. And even if it doesn't, some rage is better than nothing.
As we established: Faster Attacks is pretty much useless, so is Blood Magic (in my opinion).

I will try Rage out and maybe update about the success of it.

Just catching up on this thread. I whirl faaast... maybe too fast, now that I think about it. If I take out faster attx, I don't think I'd do rage. I feel like I'd lose the rage too fast unless I really committed to zooming over clawing and picking stuff up (rarer now). I might instead put in Life Gain on Hit... not sure if it would be noticeable, but that feels like it might bump up the recover when I'm zooming out of an ugly swarm that isn't dying (like those where you need to kill a totem or something).

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Destructodave schrieb:

I dash too fast. It even gets me killed sometimes. And I dont even use faster attacks, and have Fiber and 20 ping. Its honestly incredibly annoying. I will dash, and it will dash a 2nd time; sometimes right back to the same exact area, and I'll get hit by something I was trying to dodge.

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This happens. I had a lot of trouble with that when i fought Aul until i figured wtf is it.
Thing is it remained in the gem setup because I have to adapt the build to everyone. Not everybody has 2.0 aps claws... If you have fast claws, take out Faster Attacks support, it's definitely making problems with Whirling.

Honestly, for those who feel like a glass cannon you are forgetting how's it's like to actually play this league with one.
This one isn't squishy unless you make it so, by playing without paying attention, which i stated. It's not mindless build like a Cyclone (played by half of the league) where you hold your gas pedal and steer the wheel. It's not Herald stacker either.

I haven't played the build since Blight but I got my hands on one Simulacrum in standard. Doing it deathless on the first try is something.

If you feel like you need to go triple Purity to play it, i suggest some new build, a proper tank. Not something that is not here or there.

@Corioliss
That's a bad idea, won't work well. You are either going to get distracted by getting that Rage or you ain't going to get it.
There is a cluster node that gives Rage on hit once a second.

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Destructodave schrieb:

Tyour mileage may vary

ding ding ding! My point exactly. And ya..I'm aware of Craft of Exile.

It took me 15 tries to get


My point is RNG is RNG and it is NOT as easy as was described pages back. It was implied even with RNG it's like zomg insanely off the wall easy to get a amazeballs claw. It's just not.

Then there's going splat in a t6 Delerium. Not too crazy about the currency I've dumped into this build.

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If you feel like you need to go triple Purity to play it, i suggest some new build, a proper tank. Not something that is not here or there.

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For me, the triple purity makes it playable. I started with seeing the Mathil build and didn't see this guide until I was already playing it. Then got frustrated with dying - maybe gear at the time, maybe me just not being good. :) But switching to a 3xPurity build made it really click for me. Feels good, feels like it's got the spirit of poison proliferation, and feels almost as tanky as my gladiator and way faster... I'm not sure what beats it. So I'm happy and looking to this thread for inspiration on fine-tuning, like the possible Rage substitute for faster attacks. It's all good stuff. Everyone has their own play-style. Mine may just be too face-tanky for most builds as shown.

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DamageIncorporated schrieb:

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Destructodave schrieb:

Tyour mileage may vary

ding ding ding! My point exactly. And ya..I'm aware of Craft of Exile.

It took me 15 tries to get

My point is RNG is RNG and it is NOT as easy as was described pages back. It was implied even with RNG it's like zomg insanely off the wall easy to get a amazeballs claw. It's just not.

Then there's going splat in a t6 Delerium. Not too crazy about the currency I've dumped into this build.

You do know you just crafted like a 6-7+ exalt claw for like 2.5-3ex? I mean you hit worst case scenario, 15 rolls, and made a claw worth 4-5 ex more than cost.

So yes, it was easy, lol. You just saved 4-5 exalt. You theoretically just made 4-5ex. And thats at a bad streak of 15 rolls.

Imagine the rolls where you hit that in 2-5. Or hit sellable ones in 2-5. Not every one of them is gonna take 15 rolls.

I crafted like 9 or 10 claws; that claw was like 11ex when I was crafting them. So, at the time I made that post, you just spent 2.5-3ex to craft a 10+ exalt claw. That was easy money at that time in the league, lol.

I think you are just too caught up on the process of rolling fossils. In the end, you still saved like 5+ exalt over purchasing that exact claw. You are too caught up on the fact you rolled 15 times; forgetting thats literally like 3 exalt worth of mats total, worst case.

Your next one could happen even sooner. Hell it could happen at 30 tries, and you still broke even.

So yes, its much easier to craft the claw, and until those things are like 3ex, Id still argue to roll for them before purchasing.

When I made that post, it was insanely easy money. And you still got a GG claw for half price now.

The easiest money in this game to be made, is crafting. Right now you can go spam Serrated fossils on warcry clusters with 10x for mob mentality, and sell them for 1ex+. Crafting is the money maker. You just cannot get hung up on individual crafts taking longer than expected. Its a numbers game. Thats just one instance right now that is extremely profitable. Use Serrated on warcry medium cluster, get Mob mentality + X, sells for 90-1.5ex+. Takes hardly no tries at all. Maybe one will burn you for 10-15.

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TorsteinTheFallen schrieb:

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Destructodave schrieb:

I dash too fast. It even gets me killed sometimes. And I dont even use faster attacks, and have Fiber and 20 ping. Its honestly incredibly annoying. I will dash, and it will dash a 2nd time; sometimes right back to the same exact area, and I'll get hit by something I was trying to dodge.

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This happens. I had a lot of trouble with that when i fought Aul until i figured wtf is it.
Thing is it remained in the gem setup because I have to adapt the build to everyone. Not everybody has 2.0 aps claws... If you have fast claws, take out Faster Attacks support, it's definitely making problems with Whirling.

Honestly, for those who feel like a glass cannon you are forgetting how's it's like to actually play this league with one.
This one isn't squishy unless you make it so, by playing without paying attention, which i stated. It's not mindless build like a Cyclone (played by half of the league) where you hold your gas pedal and steer the wheel. It's not Herald stacker either.

I haven't played the build since Blight but I got my hands on one Simulacrum in standard. Doing it deathless on the first try is something.

If you feel like you need to go triple Purity to play it, i suggest some new build, a proper tank. Not something that is not here or there.

@Corioliss
That's a bad idea, won't work well. You are either going to get distracted by getting that Rage or you ain't going to get it.
There is a cluster node that gives Rage on hit once a second.

For me, its not squishy persay, just prone to 1-shots. And, in the high 90s, its really 1 or 2 deaths in a see of 100+ maps that keeps you from ever leveling again. Also, I pretty much leveled all the way to 96 with Viper Strike. I play Pestilent now, because it maps better, but I think Pestilent is less safe than Viper Strike by far. Because I used Melee Splash with Viper, and it attacks with both hands, the life on hit gain was vastly superior to a handful of mobs getting hit by Pestilent.

But Pestilent is really the way to go for 5 orb maps, Simulacrum, etc. At this point random deaths I dont care about. I'll take 1 death in a 5 orb Delirium map or a Simulacrum map. Id have to clean up some things, like you said, if I wanted to level any farther.

Rerolling maps is probably the best option to level. Poison and Chaos builds really suck you in to alch/vaal/super mapping because they can do any mod; so you almost never roll off the dangerous ones.

Ok, well, context is important. I agree with you, but again, a few pages back it's made out like you can make a similar claw but with high tier attack speed for piddles. It costs at LEAST a few exalt. it's basically worth it to buy someones shit tier IAS claw for 3 or 4 exalt. It's not that cheap.

On a very large, expensive scale? sure, you could make something amazing for 5 exalt that's being sold for 15 exalt. I'm saying it was implied you can make a multi exalt one in 2-4 tries. It's a load of shit.

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DamageIncorporated schrieb:

Ok, well, context is important. I agree with you, but again, a few pages back it's made out like you can make a similar claw but with high tier attack speed for piddles. It costs at LEAST a few exalt. it's basically worth it to buy someones shit tier IAS claw for 3 or 4 exalt. It's not that cheap.

On a very large, expensive scale? sure, you could make something amazing for 5 exalt that's being sold for 15 exalt. I'm saying it was implied you can make a multi exalt one in 2-4 tries. It's a load of shit.

You 100% could at the time of that post, lol. Hitting Ias/60%/chaos is not hard with that method, and those sold for 4-5exalt. I sold 2 for 6. Most for 4-5. And that was 100% because I was undercutting by an entire exalt because the process was so easy, lol.

You are forgetting how far back into the league that post was. You cant come in at basically the tail-end dying of the league and expect the same methods at making money to be as good. All claws were selling then.

Have you tried to craft another? The hard part was hitting one with all that stuff AND an open prefix. But hitting one like the current 2 exalt ones is not hard, and the added bonus is they were selling for 4-5+ exalt at the time of that post.

You really are not understanding the time difference from now and when that post was made, and you still came out ahead lol. I really dont see the issue here. You just made a claw 4-5 exalt cheaper than you would have paid for it, and your mad about it.

IAS/60%/chaos is still multi-exalt. Until you craft more than 1 thing, I dont see how you can argue against it. Especially when you literally crafted a GG one for 30% of the cost. The claws right now selling for 2 exalt were like 6 at the time of that post. Before that just having one with 60%/chaos was a ton of exalts, too.

If you dont like the method or believe in it, dont do it, lol. No point in putting me on blast because you didnt make your very first craft in 2 tries. I crafted 10x that, and I even used the original method of corroded/metallic/abberant to make my first 2, and I dont even know how many of those I crafted and sold, because just having 60% and one other mod those were expensive at the time(Imperial Claw bases were 1exalt). Probably another 10 there.

Its just weird you are so mad, when you made a claw for 3ex worst case scenario that cost 7. Just buy the 7 exalt claw then and dont craft anymore.