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Thunder_Gatti schrieb:
I think you're not understanding because your build is missing some key items that I have. Probably easier if I show you what I'm doing. I'm getting so much more out of my auras and have so much more flexibility.
https://pastebin.com/uBYbsKwn
I like this... Not sure whats up with the dps it seems way too low for what you have setup, even with minion speed in place of damage, but no clusters and points to spare... Very impressive! 10k hp+es, 1.7k str, 3k regen on zom, all with no clusters?! That thread of hope in the bottom too, Im about to go test this!
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Beitrag vonNchi#1907am 28.04.2020, 18:28:41
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Thunder_Gatti schrieb:
I think you're not understanding because your build is missing some key items that I have. Probably easier if I show you what I'm doing. I'm getting so much more out of my auras and have so much more flexibility.
https://pastebin.com/uBYbsKwn
Which "key items" ? The PoB looks similar to every other one i've seen..
Looks like your running a mix of "King of all Summoner" and "Qlida" version of the build. I see that Thread of Hope setups.. is it that the key items ?
I don't really see what you're doing "more" then every other players with your auras that is giving so much more ? You're pretty much running the same setup has everyone else, but lacking a ton of damage.. no ?
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bigtoaster64 schrieb:
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Thunder_Gatti schrieb:
I think you're not understanding because your build is missing some key items that I have. Probably easier if I show you what I'm doing. I'm getting so much more out of my auras and have so much more flexibility.
https://pastebin.com/uBYbsKwn
Which "key items" ? The PoB looks similar to every other one i've seen..
Looks like your running a mix of "King of all Summoner" and "Qlida" version of the build. I see that Thread of Hope setups.. is it that the key items ?
I don't really see what you're doing "more" then every other players with your auras that is giving so much more ? You're pretty much running the same setup has everyone else, but lacking a ton of damage.. no ?
That bottom thread of hope is massive, trying to figure out if hematophagy is worth taking for increasing baron steals- could be massive I think? Was considering clusters for something similar (for a renewal/vicious/drive the destruction meglo) someone said it should be easy on POB but baron leech is a red line so... no right
But yea, not sure what else he means, 1.7k str but thats nothing specific just good rares.
worked on my theory build some
-10 res sucks lol https://pastebin.com/7r5V0my9 mssing 3 points to diamond skin and most that res is made up ish
Much better resists here now- down a bit of dps around 5% loss though but massive durability increase here, wouldn't call this a glass cannon but that 5.5k hp is not the greatest, but bonebarrier phys reduc+soul of steel is hefty.
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Beitrag vonNchi#1907am 28.04.2020, 20:27:01
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Nchi schrieb:
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bigtoaster64 schrieb:
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Thunder_Gatti schrieb:
I think you're not understanding because your build is missing some key items that I have. Probably easier if I show you what I'm doing. I'm getting so much more out of my auras and have so much more flexibility.
https://pastebin.com/uBYbsKwn
Which "key items" ? The PoB looks similar to every other one i've seen..
Looks like your running a mix of "King of all Summoner" and "Qlida" version of the build. I see that Thread of Hope setups.. is it that the key items ?
I don't really see what you're doing "more" then every other players with your auras that is giving so much more ? You're pretty much running the same setup has everyone else, but lacking a ton of damage.. no ?
That bottom thread of hope is massive, trying to figure out if hematophagy is worth taking for increasing baron steals- could be massive I think? Was considering clusters for something similar (for a renewal/vicious/drive the destruction meglo) someone said it should be easy on POB but baron leech is a red line so... no right
But yea, not sure what else he means, 1.7k str but thats nothing specific just good rares.
worked on my theory build some
-10 res sucks lol https://pastebin.com/7r5V0my9
Much better resists here now- down a bit of dps around 5% loss though but massive durability increase here, wouldn't call this a glass cannon but that 5.5k hp is not the greatest, but bonebarrier phys reduc+soul of steel is hefty.
Sorry was playing earlier and just read. Yes the guy above is right, it's a mix of KOS (what I started with) and my own ideas. I actually did mess around with Hema for a day and it works, but I didn't think it was worth it...idk, may still go back and try it once I do my uber lab. It's ridiculously tanky but I literally just lost all my zombies for the first time on my last map: T16 Sulphur vents and I have no idea what happened. It's been so smooth that I don't even pay attention to map mods or sextants and I fell asleep at the helm. Something got to them, even inside the syndicate basement. Funny thing is just the zombies died and golem, no specters or guardian.
Biggest key item I think is the Watcher's Eye and all the ES boost I've got, about 60%. I'm not sure why my dps is a little off on POB (first time using it). They didn't have this stuff back in 2013 lol. Maybe the guardian gear is missing from my calc idk.
Biggest strategy change is loading up on exp in the tree so you can swap out for cheap specialized gear (i.e. - Kaom's Roots for Sirus). I got a set with 21 Haste for 5c...WAY cheaper than changing everything around all the time. Plus tons of armor and higher caps on the resists. Throw on Purity in a ring and you and the minions are set while everyone else is looking for the same gear with the stats. Plus you get tons of mobility and your minions are also with you.
From lvl 92 I was planning to shoot straight up to the next closest gem socket up near Death Attunement, or possibly just go grab the node with the offensive minion stuff that includes "changes in attack speed to minions benefit you". I think that's what I'm leaning towards and then go back to Hema with more attack speed under my belt. I'm open to suggestions. I've just been playing solo so it may take me a bit.
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Thunder_Gatti schrieb:
Sorry was playing earlier and just read. Yes the guy above is right, it's a mix of KOS (what I started with) and my own ideas. I actually did mess around with Hema for a day and it works, but I didn't think it was worth it...idk, may still go back and try it once I do my uber lab. It's ridiculously tanky but I literally just lost all my zombies for the first time on my last map: T16 Sulphur vents and I have no idea what happened. It's been so smooth that I don't even pay attention to map mods or sextants and I fell asleep at the helm. Something got to them, even inside the syndicate basement. Funny thing is just the zombies died and golem, no specters or guardian.
Biggest key item I think is the Watcher's Eye and all the ES boost I've got, about 60%. I'm not sure why my dps is a little off on POB (first time using it). They didn't have this stuff back in 2013 lol. Maybe the guardian gear is missing from my calc idk.
Biggest strategy change is loading up on exp in the tree so you can swap out for cheap specialized gear (i.e. - Kaom's Roots for Sirus). I got a set with 21 Haste for 5c...WAY cheaper than changing everything around all the time. Plus tons of armor and higher caps on the resists. Throw on Purity in a ring and you and the minions are set while everyone else is looking for the same gear with the stats. Plus you get tons of mobility and your minions are also with you.
From lvl 92 I was planning to shoot straight up to the next closest gem socket up near Death Attunement, or possibly just go grab the node with the offensive minion stuff that includes "changes in attack speed to minions benefit you". I think that's what I'm leaning towards and then go back to Hema with more attack speed under my belt. I'm open to suggestions. I've just been playing solo so it may take me a bit.
Why attackspeed at all my man? Def go for jewels.
Check out my build on karthnchi atm for some silly ES stacking power, 4x ES multi on my stuff total, add 100 get over 400 its derpy. Watchers eye on mine would add a bit but for the price im not really up for it lol... still riding cheapo life here after first big pull I stopped playing and started theory crafting to see what to do a bit too much lol.
isnt your ES mod +170 from shapers? Thats a lot of power there! Im tempted to make an ES version soon...
What is guardian gear btw?
oh yea they died to reflect no doubt if you aren't watching mods
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Beitrag vonNchi#1907am 28.04.2020, 21:43:24
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Nchi schrieb:
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Thunder_Gatti schrieb:
Why attackspeed at all my man? Def go for jewels.
Check out my build on karthnchi atm for some silly ES stacking power, 4x ES multi on my stuff total, add 100 get over 400 its derpy. Watchers eye on mine would add a bit but for the price im not really up for it lol... still riding cheapo life here after first big pull I stopped playing and started theory crafting to see what to do a bit too much lol.
isnt your ES mod +170 from shapers? Thats a lot of power there! Im tempted to make an ES version soon...
What is guardian gear btw?
oh yea they died to reflect no doubt if you aren't watching mods
Yeah I wanted to shoot up to use the top socket for a cluster, but then other guy here got me thinking about hema again, as well as my dps. I've only got a few more points coming to me and that Spiritual Command node with the attack speed will also give me a bunch of minion dps boosters. If my theory works, the the added attack speed will work with the physical dmg reduction of my Lethal Pride. Cyclone on this build isn't really there for dps, it's to work with Zealot's from Geoffry's to refill your ES. I think the Lethal Pride jewel I have gives you physical dmg reduction in place of life leach. The added dps helps too, which I should get from Feeding Frenzy if I understand the passive correctly.
I'll def take a look at your setup tomorrow as well for some ideas, but I think anymore ES restart than what I've got will lead to diminishing returns. 60% is more than enough since I've also got Vaal I can pop in a pinch. I know those cluster jewels are all the rage, but my gut tells me they're overrated. You're throwing away a point to get access to the same things that are already there since they've got very little baked into them already. I think there's way more value in Thread of Hope, but I definitely don't know the game as well as many of you all do.
I have to say, the thing that pissed me off the most since coming back to POE is the fact that I can't run another aura. My plan was to run Pride as well, but there must be some kind of cap they implemented. If you can make the make the mana reserve work, you should be able to do it.
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can also just use auls amulet for free pride or massive mana reserve in tree
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Beitrag vonNchi#1907am 29.04.2020, 04:12:49
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Nchi schrieb:
can also just use auls amulet for free pride or massive mana reserve in tree
Yeah I looked into it originally, but would've been taking a huge stat hit even with my astramentis. With what I've got now it'll probably be worse. A friend actually gave me the one I'm wearing since he quit the game, so I basically built around it because it was so good.
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Thunder_Gatti schrieb:
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Nchi schrieb:
can also just use auls amulet for free pride or massive mana reserve in tree
Yeah I looked into it originally, but would've been taking a huge stat hit even with my astramentis. With what I've got now it'll probably be worse. A friend actually gave me the one I'm wearing since he quit the game, so I basically built around it because it was so good.
I got my hopes up for a second actually, but they were quickly squashed. I had this gem drop last night that was another ring type gem but with no ER penalty. The freaking thing only comes in small radius size though. If I could've gotten the same thing but bigger, it would saved me another couple points. I was so mad lol.
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Hey guys!!
Sorry for my bad english, but I will share with u my The Baron theorycraft (with old ideas from this thread and some own ideas):
1- ES summoner in 3.9: https://pastebin.com/EwTCmzNb
VP, shaper's touch + astramentis + Geofri's + soul tether, really noob itens (except from Maul) and 10K+ EHP.
- Benefits: 5M shaper dps because FF nerf, big leech to 10k (because es leech too);
around 30-40% phys reduction without flask and 60 with flasks.
This build beat uber elder with less of 10 fps in 3.8 and 300 depth AUL with 10/15 fps.
- Weakness: negative chaos res.
2- Life summoner in 3.10 (but in STD, so no cluster jewels yet): https://pastebin.com/Z5gmFbPj
- Benefits: 10,5kk Shaper dps (without awakener gems and impale!!!), 8k life, 1k regen with flasks + holy relic, 75% chaos res (i got better rings now and replace many uniques). 35-40% phys reduc without flasks and 74% with flasks.
- Weakness: expansive and not better chest to this build, but still viable.
No impale/awakener gems yet;
I try using banner, but i havent mana to cyclone because fail in -3 mana costa on ring.
Ps.: Using cyclone and zombies clear fine, dont need FF anymore.
pps.: My AG got chest + 1 curse, so spectre cast enfeeble and with AG hit bosses got double curse (vuln + enfeeble), when spectre recast, ag hit again... so perma double cursed bosses and big AoE from enfeeble in diabolish.
ppps.: i like many defences because potato PC and big spikes/bad latency here, its a really bad combo.
pppps.: I know now impale are better to dmg, i will change it...
- Thread with suggestions for PoE 1 get more fun and more QoL in next patches (3.27, 3.28...): thread/3812167
- Atlas tree thread improvement: thread/3812454
(English is not my native language, so I apologize for any mistakes!) Zuletzt bearbeitet von Rato86#5476 um 29.04.2020, 09:32:47
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Beitrag vonRato86#5476am 29.04.2020, 09:25:22
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