Dx11 is unplayable AND looks worse.

I have an older i7 with 12gb ram and a gtx 1060 and I get around 40 fps no matter how I tweak the settings. I agree it was better before.
People often give advice like "get some gtx960 or something", and other people protest against that because it's too costly.

Funny enough i did even cheaper upgrade than most discussed here on forums:
Ryzen 3 1200 (most cheap and basic one of them i believe)
GT 710 (very cheap and also pretty old but still...)
8 GB of DDR4

That gave me pretty smooth game experience. And you can see it isn't even gtx-something or i5/i7.

And yes, i play Dx11 now, also did it last league. Seems ok and pretty stable. The only problem is when i play 2-3 hours i almost run out of memory. Restarting game helps.

So i dunno. It's not like you need a LOT of new stuff to play PoE currently.
Better than a tl;dr
Spoiler
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2089358/page/14

I'm not the only one with this issue. Don't make it about me.



Like I said. This thread is about Dx11 verse Dx9. NOT my PC.

There's plenty of people saying that Dx11 is worse than Dx9 for them. Check other people in this thread, check other threads, check the 3.6 performance guide's last few pages, there's even been posts on reddit.

Like I said, in the future I can upgrade my PC, for now I cannot.

Like I said, some people don't know what's going on yet pretend that they do, and that stays relevant.

I'm not looking for help, this isn't the help section.
I know the limitations of my PC and PoE.
There's no magic option to make things go from 1 FPS to 60 when shit goes down in game.

This is a feedback for the Dx9 change, and it isn't my first one. I made one before the change, and two after.

Only this one blew up. And it has 3 types of people:
1. People who have the same issue (everyone seems to ignore them and only focus on me).
2. Obvious trolls.
3. People who are so damn bored of the game they sit on forums giving "advice" while slipping in digs and flamebaits.

Look at the first post:
"That's not DirectX 11; it's Dynamic Resolution.

You can disable it in the settings menu."


Dynamic Res is from Dx11, and for the low quality graphics to be ran for PoE to even run for my PC dynamic needs to be on with fps at 60 so it forces the game into that quality. If I could run PoE normally, I could, but I go through these options because I obviously cant.

Lets look at Fruz:

"You payed to support a free to pay game, you never paid to have the right to play anything, just pointing this out.


Now, are you sure that you have tried everything that was possible to run PoE properly ?
Have you asked in the gameplay help section of the forum ?
Have you had any particular bug to report since you've tried DX11 ?"


Apparently "we pay, we say" gets thrown out for PoE because it's "free to play"??? Then followed by a bunch of condescending questions. "Are you SURREEE u tried everything?" Yeah, I have. I've done more in this game then you ever will, I understand the graphic options and how PoE runs better than you. I've learnt, modified, and understood every option in the config file.

"the legal terms are all that matter regarding what you 'deserve' from spending money on the game."
I made a purchase, a change via the company was made that made my purchase unable to be utilized. I have the right to complain.

"It could make some sense if everybody else was in the same situation than you are.
It does not seem to be the case."

There's plenty of people in my case. You're choosing to ignore them. Just look through this very thread.

"PoE has been built in a garage at the very start"
Excuses for a company that has hundreds of employees owned by the biggest gaming company... Disgusting.

"you have been ranting quite a bit"
And you've been flamebaiting for quite a bit, haven't you?

"No it should not necessarily, you just don't rebuild the whole engine of PoE in a year without significant risks."
They've had what... 6-7 years?

"It's not because your company grows that all the system and softwares become instantly much better"

It does if you allocate resources (people) to it. Minecraft was pretty much completely re-written. Runescape was re-written, twice, for HTML5 (which failed), and mobile. PoE was re-written for Xbox and PS3.

"GGG is not targeting people who have a 10 years old computer setup"
My PC and PoE are about the same age.
PoE CAN 100% run easily if GGG made basic changes. But they refuse. Why? Because they assume I'm going to make Youtube and Twitch content with low graphic settings? ?? What kind of logic is that.

"but saying that PoE should be more optimized than D3 ... is another story."
D3's code hasn't been optimized for a very long time, it has stayed the same. PoE has had the time and resources to catch up to D3.

"Some people have much more knowledge than you (and me for sure)"
More flamebait.
Thanks for contributing to the thread.

"GGG considers that the immersion that rain/shadows etc provide is worth not allowing players to disable it, as many players might read/see something on the internet and disable everything ( even though it might change nothing regarding performances for them ) just in case, having a less enjoyable experience in the end.
That's the reasoning behind the fact that there are no such options with DX11."


Chris has said why they do this.
They don't want new players going on Twitch or Youtube and seeing low quality graphics.
That mentality is disgusting.
They'd rather screw over paying customer's performance just to get slightly better advertising. And they choose to add better and better graphics without catching up in optimization.

You cannot morally say they're doing the right thing. They're doing this to screw old players for new ones. They're a business, they don't care about you. That's why Chris sold out to the biggest gaming company at PoE's peak. He knows PoE cannot sustain it's current growth.

You're nothing but a shill.

"there have been many performances improvements over time.
This is all somewhat relative to people's setups of course, but there have for sure been improvement, I think that my game was just running better with DX11 than DX9 for example."


They have massive patches every 3 months. They move most of their resources to updates to snowball the (not forever) growth in new players. They have 100% left optimization behind. Yes, they've made improvements, but the changes they make they cannot keep up. Beyond was only fixed recently, it took 2 patches for the green-tree incursion room lag to be fixed. Harbinger's haven't been fixed. Intervention spawns are just awful.

Streamers crash/black screen/and drop to 10 fps all the time.
Even with very high end PCs. PoE's coding is a mess.

"If they let go of DX9, it means that they have more time to focus on DX11, or other stuff."
Like I said, they can let go of Dx9 if they add features to improve performance, like low detail and no shadows. But like I just said, they're all about the new player $$$.

"you're free to keep being not pragmatic and not realistic, and not actually seek help by providing information that could help some people help you."
Again, being condescending.
I know you have nothing to offer me, I've said it many times.
Yet you're still here being condescending and flamebaiting, right from your very first sentence. Why would I give you an ounce of respect by the way you entered this thread???
You're saying that I can't deal with things reasonably? How about you show respect when you enter a thread, and maybe I'll show respect back.
You've never given me a reason to treat you with respect, because of how you act. Take a step back for a second.

"Or you can just keep spending time complaining here"
This is feedback to GGG saying the changes to Directx have made it unplayable for myself. I think that that's a valid post.

So congratz dude.
You entered a thread, stirred drama up, and left. Without even bothering to acknowledge what this thread is actually about.

I'm sure if my thread was going to be read by GGG staff, it would have been at this point. There isn't any read reason to respond anymore.
(Responses double as bumps). Like I've said 100 times, this isn't a help thread and there isn't a magic switch to make PoE run like D3 (guess what D3 runs on my computer fine, seems like coding can do wonders).

GGG have in the past disabled the ability to modify the config file, and due to backlash it was reverted. This thread's point was to mimic the backlash of the past. There is a chance GGG will revert the change.
But yes, that might not happen, and if it does, it wont happen soon.
So, like I've said, I've quit PoE for the time being.

Chris' mindset of low quality PoE MUST NOT EXIST is selfish at best, again... I'm a paying customer that just got screwed over.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Forestㆍ#4568 um 10.03.2019, 18:35:42
"
Fruz schrieb:

You realize that LoL/CS's main selling point is NOT the graphics at all, that the systems are relatively simple and the elements to display are significantly fewer ?


And you play PoE because of the graphics? I seriously doubt it, my dude. PoE's graphics are fine, but the RPG style is kinda generic; you can add your little individual twist, and PoE does that very well, but there's only so much you can do. It's never going to be as high-end pretty as some story-based game that gives you more time to take in the scenery.

PoE's biggest selling point is the configurability and complexity of the game mechanics. It's cool that you can play a spell-casting Marauder or whatever else you want. That's what keeps people engaged, that and the very rewarding league mechanics. The graphics are a cherry on top, but making that the focus of your game development is bound to harm the overall experience.

In that sense, it's even more absurd that a game with as much player choice as PoE is so restrictive when it comes to your graphics settings. It seems like a contradiction of the core game philosophy, which is why I and many others are so triggered by it. You'll let us play melee witches, but tinkering with the graphics is banned? Come on, GGG.
"
Sphairon schrieb:
"
Fruz schrieb:

You realize that LoL/CS's main selling point is NOT the graphics at all, that the systems are relatively simple and the elements to display are significantly fewer ?


And you play PoE because of the graphics? I seriously doubt it, my dude.

GGG is trying to provide an immersive experience, much, much, much more than LoL and CS, for very obvious reasons.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Fruz#6137 um 10.03.2019, 20:25:47
I can only play in windowed mode now, windowed full screen slows down everything else considerably. Cant alt+tab and watch a video for example, too slow and I feel like my machine is burning up.

Revert maybe?
"
Fruz schrieb:
GGG is trying to provide an immersive experience, much, much, much more than LoL and CS, for very obvious reasons.

lol, immersive experience? Is that why the base game offers intentionally dull graphics while the rest is locked behind a paywall. Nothing is as immersive as walking around with a tincan on your head. Also, animations? Six years and not a single update on the stiff animations. Immersion my ass.
"
reprot9x schrieb:
"
Fruz schrieb:
GGG is trying to provide an immersive experience, much, much, much more than LoL and CS, for very obvious reasons.

lol, immersive experience? Is that why the base game offers intentionally dull graphics while the rest is locked behind a paywall. Nothing is as immersive as walking around with a tincan on your head. Also, animations? Six years and not a single update on the stiff animations. Immersion my ass.

I never said that they were doing a very job ( although I am still enjoying the story, enjoying listening to many of the dialog, and now enjoying the new music too ), since there are many immersion breaking element ( = third party website for trading ... ).

But still :
- Yes, it's significantly more immersive than those 2 other games for very obvious reasons, and it's aiming for it ( but not only of course ). I have couple of guesses why you would not understand those reasons, but I'm going to keep them for myself lol.
- I'm not stupid enough to expect last-generation game quality graphics on it
- Nothing is being gated by a paywall like wtf, but I guess some people that can't get anywhere would rather blame the game or whatever they can find to not blame themselves ?
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Fruz#6137 um 10.03.2019, 21:19:01
If they wanted the experience to be immersive they would have put in a zoom slider ages ago. Or a gamma.
"
Johny_Snow schrieb:
If they wanted the experience to be immersive they would have put in a zoom slider ages ago. Or a gamma.

- You can zoom ...
- Gamma ? what ? you realize that this has absolutely nothing to do with immersion, right ? If anything the opposite ...
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.

Beitrag melden

Konto melden:

Meldegrund

Weitere Informationen: