[3.7] Ahfack's Crimson Cyclone | Shaper FULL Life Kill Vid | 100% Pure Phys | All Content | PoBs

My point is that if you dont have double course daresso's is it not worth it to use it, since you cant compensate the loss of tankiness and survivability with enfeeble. 6300 life with kaoms heart is so low when fighting uber elder. You can do it if you are skilled, alot of guys did it. But it is far more safe with BM (i reach 7700 life and 4500 leech rate) and you achieve the damahe back from not using daresso by a 6L amcestral warchief you use in your belly of the beast (200k damage in pob)... overall, if you consider this 6L and BM you have both more survivability and damage, losing the +2 range and 10% increased movement on full life, which are insane but still I don't feel they are needed at all. If I want to clear maps for profit and not for experience I will just go for Bisco's.

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Morgoth92 schrieb:

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Pyron schrieb:

Does Starforge deal more DMG then Disfavour or not?

Does any1 know that?

It does way more damage then Disfavour, less of Ahfack'S Hate Splitter though, if you can afford to mirror it

But why do most people play disfavour then?

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Pyron schrieb:

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Morgoth92 schrieb:

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Pyron schrieb:

Does Starforge deal more DMG then Disfavour or not?

Does any1 know that?

It does way more damage then Disfavour, less of Ahfack'S Hate Splitter though, if you can afford to mirror it

But why do most people play disfavour then?

I think they enjoy the +2 melee range and the bleeding damage. Honestly I don't really like damage over time, because it's really hard to buff it properly through jewels (damage over time + attack speed + maximum life + more attack damage are expansive). Starforge has more damage period, that's a thing (720p). Bleeding is only good against bosses, since you can't have time to stack bleeding while you are mapping against rares. By the time you stack 8 bleeding charges with Crimson Dance you have already killed the rare mob, anyway slower then Starforge, which have more damage per hit. Starforge has also 20% increased area of effect which is almost as good as +1 range and you deal more damage per hit, so you easier oneshot rare mobs in T16 maps. At least it felt like that when I tried it. Starforge can also shock bosses and mobs dealing insane amount of damage. You can shock if you add a jewel with chance to shock in your passive tree somewhere. Even with 5% chance I can assure you it massively increases your damage.

Hey,

i was wondering if Starforge or Disfavour would be better.

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Morgoth92 schrieb:

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Pyron schrieb:

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Morgoth92 schrieb:

It does way more damage then Disfavour, less of Ahfack'S Hate Splitter though, if you can afford to mirror it

But why do most people play disfavour then?

I think they enjoy the +2 melee range and the bleeding damage. Honestly I don't really like damage over time, because it's really hard to buff it properly through jewels (damage over time + attack speed + maximum life + more attack damage are expansive). Starforge has more damage period, that's a thing (720p). Bleeding is only good against bosses, since you can't have time to stack bleeding while you are mapping against rares. By the time you stack 8 bleeding charges with Crimson Dance you have already killed the rare mob, anyway slower then Starforge, which have more damage per hit. Starforge has also 20% increased area of effect which is almost as good as +1 range and you deal more damage per hit, so you easier oneshot rare mobs in T16 maps. At least it felt like that when I tried it. Starforge can also shock bosses and mobs dealing insane amount of damage. You can shock if you add a jewel with chance to shock in your passive tree somewhere. Even with 5% chance I can assure you it massively increases your damage.

The chance to shock and it's effect on a such build is too tiny to count it in, sir. Since you never crit, you will barely shock anything since 5% from jewel is just meh (base shock duration is just too short to count it in really). What about bleeding - yes, it is useful only on bosses, but then again, you breeze through any kind of mobs (except some red beasts with imba mods) without stopping in T16's already, so talking about trash clearing and bleed impact to that is quite meaningless.

To answer the question "Why more people use Disfavour?":
a) Disfavour is cheaper, especially at league start.
b) It is better than Starforge for Cyclone builds, especially this one, unless you invest like 50ex+ in gear and don't go Resolute Technique. (For pretty much any other 2H melee build, Starforge wins).
c) In this league we got 30% quality beastcraft, which favours Disfavour big time due to it's damage coming from a flat phys roll vs % on starforge (I'm running with 655.5 pdps Disfavour atm, for the reference).

And for people who are interested in attack range of Disfavour vs Starforge, it is almost the same. Starforge gets +1 range from tree and 20% inc from itself, Disfavour gives +2 from itself, totalling to almost the same in final result.

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d3s0 schrieb:

To answer the question "Why more people use Disfavour?":
a) Disfavour is cheaper, especially at league start.
b) It is better than Starforge for Cyclone builds, especially this one, unless you invest like 50ex+ in gear and don't go Resolute Technique. (For pretty much any other 2H melee build, Starforge wins).
c) In this league we got 30% quality beastcraft, which favours Disfavour big time due to it's damage coming from a flat phys roll vs % on starforge (I'm running with 655.5 pdps Disfavour atm, for the reference).

And for people who are interested in attack range of Disfavour vs Starforge, it is almost the same. Starforge gets +1 range from tree and 20% inc from itself, Disfavour gives +2 from itself, totalling to almost the same in final result.

^This. Wise words.
If you need bleeding damage on jewels and/or attack speed with Atz's you also would need %chance to shock on a starforge either...

I think Atz's suits better for everything in this build, to be honest.

Great build! Currently playing it on Bestiary SC. Just managed to kill Red Elder + Shaper deathless in one go. Only one death to the guardians aswell (Phoenix with INC AoE caught me bad).






Any ideas on priority upgrades right now? Was thinking about mass buying Essences to craft new gloves, or buy a pair of Steel Rings and start chaos spamming. Thoughts?


Thanks for a great build :)

Anyone mind taking a look at my character? im having some problems with bossing, im just getting chunked. the leech rate just doesnt seem up to par with videos ive seen of this build. Sitting at 5.3k health with about 20% worth of health nodes missing.

currently working on disfavor or a +1 curse daressos [yea right] and a useful helm enchant [cyclone dmg or ias.] is it just a lack of dps/health issue?

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Rayv42 schrieb:

Anyone mind taking a look at my character? im having some problems with bossing, im just getting chunked. the leech rate just doesnt seem up to par with videos ive seen of this build. Sitting at 5.3k health with about 20% worth of health nodes missing.

currently working on disfavor or a +1 curse daressos [yea right] and a useful helm enchant [cyclone dmg or ias.] is it just a lack of dps/health issue?

I would start with the potions tbh. Either look at the guide and get all that juicy stuff (Curse immunity helps a ton). You can look at my character aswell above your post, that's the gear I'm currently rocking. You got alot of flasks that doesn't make sense to me, like the mana one and some of the unique ones. Better to just get ordinary ones with freeze / curse / shock remove etc.

Also some of your rares could need upgrades. Especially your boots, 25-30% (!!!) movement speed is huge on cyclone since it makes it alot smoother to use and also lets you dish out more damage, stack bleed faster etc.

Before I got my +1 daresso I ran Arctic Armor with Enfeeble instead of Vulnerability. This would open up a ring slot for you aswell.

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Lissmano schrieb:

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Rayv42 schrieb:

Anyone mind taking a look at my character? im having some problems with bossing, im just getting chunked. the leech rate just doesnt seem up to par with videos ive seen of this build. Sitting at 5.3k health with about 20% worth of health nodes missing.

currently working on disfavor or a +1 curse daressos [yea right] and a useful helm enchant [cyclone dmg or ias.] is it just a lack of dps/health issue?

I would start with the potions tbh. Either look at the guide and get all that juicy stuff (Curse immunity helps a ton). You can look at my character aswell above your post, that's the gear I'm currently rocking. You got alot of flasks that doesn't make sense to me, like the mana one and some of the unique ones. Better to just get ordinary ones with freeze / curse / shock remove etc.

Also some of your rares could need upgrades. Especially your boots, 25-30% (!!!) movement speed is huge on cyclone since it makes it alot smoother to use and also lets you dish out more damage, stack bleed faster etc.

Before I got my +1 daresso I ran Arctic Armor with Enfeeble instead of Vulnerability. This would open up a ring slot for you aswell.

ahh i was looking at your character earlier, thanks for the reply. alright flask game will be my first step while i save up for my other expensive items.

and yea, i get why double curse is good, but having deodres damnning just feels like a dead slot with the lack of stats, other than the + curse. Ill try out arctic armor.

I noticed you use IC+CWDT and vortex, is that for the pantheon proc mentioned in the guide? im trying it out, just wondering the reasoning [ kinda new to the game]