This game is too frustrating to be fun.

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Moregaze#2933 schrieb:

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Smudgius#2361 schrieb:

Its ok if the game is to hard. It is drawing an entire new fanbase to the game. POE 2 might not be for you broski and that is ok.

Yeah, it's not, though. It is literally driving players away from both games, as the number of people who start a league goes down pretty hard in every league, which is why they are doing free weekends for PoE2.

Its def not driving players away. POE 2 is putting numbers up never seen by POE 1 or any other ARPG at all. Also, steam charts is not the only data set. There are probably tens of thousands of people who have the stand alone client (im one of them).

I know you think you are correct but GGG has the full data set and make adjustments to ALL the data...not just some of it.


GGG is cooking and Im all here for it broski.

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Smudgius#2361 schrieb:

Currently, on at least 4 different ascendancies, people have also built immortal characters who can literally facetank any single boss while doing high damage. At least one of those is a budget build (well, still needs a fair bit of grinding, but not like, dozens of divines or anything like that).

Oh please, show me on ninja which builds exactly you're talking about. And that budget build especially. I'd rather guess that below 160div you're not face tanking anything. You're saying "not dozens" so it's below 24 divs, yea?

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Hyperspacing#5593 schrieb:

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Moregaze#2933 schrieb:

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Smudgius#2361 schrieb:

Its ok if the game is to hard. It is drawing an entire new fanbase to the game. POE 2 might not be for you broski and that is ok.

Yeah, it's not, though. It is literally driving players away from both games, as the number of people who start a league goes down pretty hard in every league, which is why they are doing free weekends for PoE2.

Its def not driving players away. POE 2 is putting numbers up never seen by POE 1 or any other ARPG at all. Also, steam charts is not the only data set. There are probably tens of thousands of people who have the stand alone client (im one of them).

I know you think you are correct but GGG has the full data set and make adjustments to ALL the data...not just some of it.


GGG is cooking and Im all here for it broski.

1.it is literally down by more than 60% of players a week after league launch

2.It has NEVER hit D4 levels of success no matter how hard you try to crunch the numbers

3.It has been losing more and more players since .1 to the point it will never hit its peak ever again

This is just flat out lying

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Megami83Tensei#9384 schrieb:

1.it is literally down by more than 60% of players a week after league launch

2.It has NEVER hit D4 levels of success no matter how hard you try to crunch the numbers

3.It has been losing more and more players since .1 to the point it will never hit its peak ever again

This is just flat out lying

1. Its Christmas and thats just steam charts. You have NO idea how many play off steam.

2. Maybe I don't look at D4 that often so you could be right.

3. ALL GAMES lose players overtime. That is not indictive or anything. No game, in the history of gaming, retains all their players. The problem with modern gaming is people think you have to keep all your players or the game is a failure. Its not. All games slowly die or morph into something else.


So then tell me something...Do you think GGG is purposely killing their game (like you imply) or are they operating off a full data set and moving towards what the community at large wants? Seeing as forum/reddit/streamers account for less than 5% of the playerbase.

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Hyperspacing#5593 schrieb:

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Megami83Tensei#9384 schrieb:

1.it is literally down by more than 60% of players a week after league launch

2.It has NEVER hit D4 levels of success no matter how hard you try to crunch the numbers

3.It has been losing more and more players since .1 to the point it will never hit its peak ever again

This is just flat out lying

1. Its Christmas and thats just steam charts. You have NO idea how many play off steam.

2. Maybe I don't look at D4 that often so you could be right.

3. ALL GAMES lose players overtime. That is not indictive or anything. No game, in the history of gaming, retains all their players. The problem with modern gaming is people think you have to keep all your players or the game is a failure. Its not. All games slowly die or morph into something else.


So then tell me something...Do you think GGG is purposely killing their game (like you imply) or are they operating off a full data set and moving towards what the community at large wants? Seeing as forum/reddit/streamers account for less than 5% of the playerbase.

Brother...

1) Do you not understand how trends work? We're not talking about raw numbers but a percentage decline on the biggest game launcher globally. If people using steam are quitting, so are people using the standalone client. Also. Lol it's Christmas. Exactly, it's holiday season. People should be ramping up play time. Not tone it down. If anything, maybe a slight dip can be expected on the eve of Christmas.

2) Diablo, despite being a dog shit game, still attracts the gamer dad whales and makes a profit. It's less fun than POE2 COULD be at its best, but it's also generally way, way, way less tedious and frustrating all across the board.

3) Yes, over the course of a certain period. Not more than half within the first week of a new league that introduced a whole new class.


And to answer your... Question. No, of course they're not doing it on purpose. But they're Game Designers. They have ideas. They don't consider or consult the community in all their decisions. And some of these ideas aren't worth the toilet paper they were written on. As evident seeing how often they pivot when the community eventually completely revolts and rejects their idea. Their reaction to Temple's reception says it all. Immediate red flag "IMPROVEMENTS TO VAAL LEAGUE" banner all over the login screen.

Come on man. I can understand not wanting to shit on everything. But don't be bing shilling for no reason.

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staytuned2k#6008 schrieb:

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Smudgius#2361 schrieb:

Currently, on at least 4 different ascendancies, people have also built immortal characters who can literally facetank any single boss while doing high damage. At least one of those is a budget build (well, still needs a fair bit of grinding, but not like, dozens of divines or anything like that).

Oh please, show me on ninja which builds exactly you're talking about. And that budget build especially. I'd rather guess that below 160div you're not face tanking anything. You're saying "not dozens" so it's below 24 divs, yea?

Most of them are indeed very expensive.

E.g. https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaalhc/character/DevilOfEngland-5001/%E5%B7%A5%E4%BB%8E%E4%BB%8E%E5%8F%A3%E5%B0%BA%E5%8D%81%E4%BE%86%E5%B7%A5%E3%83%A2%E4%BB%8E based on Defiance of Destiny or something without uniques might be https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaalhc/character/Sycovic-2636/Syco_DV based on high'ish ES with extreme rate of recharge and like 1.5 second start delay. Liches can also scale ES so high and then spread damage between life/ES/mana that even if your energy shield doesn't start recharging quite so fast, there just isn't the time to die in any boss fight.

The budget option(s) are a bit harder to find from poeninja as naturally they don't tend to stay cheap for very long. One budget option is builds based around the Soul Tether unique. On trade SC, the good ones start at around 14 div. The rest of the gear doesn't even have to be a full div per piece. There's several ascendancies that can make it work and you can go check them out on the different leagues. Another budget option is Lich with Atziri and either Sacrosanctum or Waveshaper. Those three are all cheap. I may have mildly exaggerated with immortality; you can facetank most of the bosses, even T4 bosses, but may need to not stand permanently in Arbiter's fire beam for example. Arbiter's nuke can be tanked too, but yeah, that gets very very expensive.

It is absolutely amazing to me how many players freak out, the moment the game doesn't just hand them everything for free. If anything the game is too easy. Takes about 2-3 weeks max until you one-shot everything and nothing feels challenging anymore. I came to this game on the promise of meaningful combat and here we are, no need to do any mechanics, just skip them with damage. While they should definitely go further in that direction, I am very happy with the anti one-shot mechanic of 0.4 as a first step. Bosses shouldn't be trivial, if you don't have to learn the mechanics the boss is too easy!