Are we living a linear POE1 character experience with the illusion of choice?

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SteelFro#5927 schrieb:

I think this is balance inquiry/suggestion.

TLDR:(This is the conclusion i came to, so i just copy pasted it from the bottom)

Part of me feels as if the devs are creating poe2 classes as if they themselves are playing a poe1 character, so the characters design becomes a linear experience because that is effectively how you would build out a poe1 char "linearly", So the player are now effectively having a linear experience, instead of having the options that one would have if you were building the character out yourself (with the illusion of choice) if this makes any sense.] I'm not saying this is bad thing, i'm just pointing out that we lost the learning experience of meaningful choices, and this is some how creating a void in my experience. (don't get me wrong, i enjoy the act of playing poe2 more than poe1, im just pointing out a void forming in meaningful character progression that is becoming hard to ignore every time i make it to maps


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I noticed that by forcing weapons into specific elements it really limits diversity, and we all then have conform or gravitate towards a cookie cutter homogenized structure, to them get the items we need to then create the "build" we want after we have acquired the gear to do so.

I'm going to use an analogy to try and explain the issue i am feeling.
I feel like a good example is back in the day classic wow had a system where each class had their own uniqueness, they would have mechanics that were only availible to their class. Then over time blizzard starting giving all specific to class abilities to all classes and it didn't really matter what class you were you basically had access to all abilities and mechanics, effectively homogenizing all the classes into the same class, with just Appearance/Title/Flavor that separates them.

I feel like the way the weapons/skills are designed in this game we are all as players homogenized into a very specific pinnacle build that has very little variation.

Maybe i lack the perspective and understanding to progress my build further.

So what i would like to see, enter this game, is another subset of support or skill gems. The current system is just to limiting. They are adding the subsets of effects on the weapons and skills themselves that your are unable to change instead of you building out the skill yourself with more options. Limiting the player into 3 avenues, instead of 9+avenues.

I remember my feedback for poe1, When i played the beta i suggested that their passive tree was very limiting and their were not very many options, and i said "my favorite passive tree in any game every was the style in Final Fantasy X".

Your Welcome :P

Here is the change i would like to see Across the Board with all Weapon Skills.
We need the ability to change these Subset Effects.

Example, Shred for the Druid creates Ice Shards when attacking frozen enemies. These Ice Shards the effectiveness of these things in my build do nothing, they show up because i am forced into putting Lunar Assault on my bar, as it is a 1 push button that drastically increases my dps in the form of an ultimate regardless of even speccing into it.

OK I'm noticing its hard for me to really pinpoint it. but i think i am close.
I guess what I'm trying to say is the Multipliers are already per-loaded, and then only way for me to start blasting high tier maps is to lean into the per-loaded Cold damage baked into the class/weapon which doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out this design in my opinion lacks originality.

What I'm looking for is more avenues at endgame to lessen the per-loaded forced avenues, by circumventing many damage types baked into the Weapon/class abilities themselves to find different avenues of damage.

These Baked in Damage Types are creating a BALANCE gap in progression. Combine it with Currency rarity ETC and you are just going to create a linear progression system.
I think a modular approach would be much better when it comes to skill flair, not sure how doable that is from a development stand point.
Part of me feels as if the devs are creating poe2 classes as if they themselves are playing a poe1 character, so the characters become linear because that is effectively how you would build out a poe1 char, So the player is effectively having a linear experience, instead of having the options that one would have if you were building the character out yourself (but with the illusion of choice) if this makes any sense.

I have said my piece.
Good day.

For me its quite the opposite. Everytime i play with a build that uses a different weapon, it feels like im playing a different game. The gameplay style of the crossbow feels like a crossbow. The gameplay style of a bear feels like a bear. The choices are there, you can play any build and any weapon on any ascendency, and the choices mean something. And hell, they are a shit ton of possibilities imo.

In poe1 we have the illusion of choice. You can play a spark build while holding a 2 Handed axe, with 400 skill speed while you jump around the map in a clunky animation. Im poe1 every weapon feels the same, every ascenedancy feels the same, they are just stats to the same style of gameplay.

In poe1 you dont even need weapons, you can change all of them for rocks with stats and gem sockets, it wont make a difference, their are there just for the stats.

Its a lazy design disguised as freedom.

In poe2 i play different chars because it feels different. In poe1 i play different chars that move the same, attack the same, and have the exact playstyle every league.

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zepberonha#9748 schrieb:

For me its quite the opposite. Everytime i play with a build that uses a different weapon, it feels like im playing a different game. The gameplay style of the crossbow feels like a crossbow. The gameplay style of a bear feels like a bear. The choices are there, you can play any build and any weapon on any ascendency, and the choices mean something. And hell, they are a shit ton of possibilities imo.

In poe1 we have the illusion of choice. You can play a spark build while holding a 2 Handed axe, with 400 skill speed while you jump around the map in a clunky animation. Im poe1 every weapon feels the same, every ascenedancy feels the same, they are just stats to the same style of gameplay.

In poe1 you dont even need weapons, you can change all of them for rocks with stats and gem sockets, it wont make a difference, their are there just for the stats.

Its a lazy design disguised as freedom.

In poe2 i play different chars because it feels different. In poe1 i play different chars that move the same, attack the same, and have the exact playstyle every league.

My thoughts exactly.

I am seeing how naive my original post was lol.

Went through a rough segment lol BUT WERE BACK BABY!!!!

I cracked it, I started using Weapon Swap, And WEAPON SET passive points.

i was trying multiple builds and getting slaughtered, eventually had a eureka moment and combined 2 of them into a smooth playing system


Wolf Shred, Pounce, Cross Slash, Lunar Blessin.

Wyvern Devour, Flame Breath.


Savage Fury, Scavenged Plating, Barkskin, Charged Regulation.


Rotation

mixes up a bit, but a lot of bouncing cross slashing for setup, into Devour for Culling, or Eat corpse in fight. Shred to generate rage, Savage fury for extra attack speed sustain faster rage gen, into Flame breath Empowered. Consume corps a lot, actually kinda fun.

I am enjoying my mid tier build, going to Anoint "Arcane Intensity" when craft a decent amulet, then into full mana stack which will equal damage and survivability in one package.


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I would assume the fact that each classes tree being different should already be evident of this.

They literally removed the minion nodes that would have allowed Sorc or Druid on the MAIN PATHS solely to push the towards the archetypes they want those classes to be in.There's no reason Deadly swarm was switched to a generic "here's some defenses" node despite it doing nothing.