A Simple Poll - Exp Loss on Death

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SpankyKong#9805 schrieb:

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Jadian#0111 schrieb:

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ForsesGIT#6499 schrieb:

Easy, 5 passives to take 'Falcon Dive' and 'Proficiency' for LS.

The issue with a response like this is that it doesn't actually tackle the issue they're bringing up.

If those passives are so valuable for your build, why can't you remove some less effective points elsewhere to opt into these passives instead? This is why they're asking for a full tree, and not just "name some passives worth taking".

The issue with this entire chain of comments is that it's a common tactic by the pro-xp loss crowd to derail a conversation into theory crafting build improvements and away from the principle that people don't like losing progress that they've earned in prior maps.

So your only progress in this game is your level then? If you die at 0% exp on a 1-portal map, the map is gone. Is that no progress lost? If you die at 0% exp while chasing a wisp, the wisp is gone. I that no progress lost?

If you can't lose anything in this game, there is no risk-reward incentive whatsoever.

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ForsesGIT#6499 schrieb:

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

Literally no insult in my previous comments. What kind of way of discussion is that even?

Pretty easy proving you wrong: If you're playing a spear-amazon, "Impair" would give you boost, but, oh wait, you're not even near that node.

Q.E.D.

Simple example:
I'll take +25 attributes, it is make my character stronger? It will, that's just fact. 5 passives > 0 passives

Yeah, just...I can't even...

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

So your only progress in this game is your level then? If you die at 0% exp on a 1-portal map, the map is gone. Is that no progress lost? If you die at 0% exp while chasing a wisp, the wisp is gone. I that no progress lost?

If you can't lose anything in this game, there is no risk-reward incentive whatsoever.

Bad example, It's not the same. If wisp is gone you are not lost the progress that you've farmed for 20+ hours.
If you want risk-reward incentive - HC is a good choice for you.

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

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ForsesGIT#6499 schrieb:

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

Literally no insult in my previous comments. What kind of way of discussion is that even?

Pretty easy proving you wrong: If you're playing a spear-amazon, "Impair" would give you boost, but, oh wait, you're not even near that node.

Q.E.D.

Simple example:
I'll take +25 attributes, it is make my character stronger? It will, that's just fact. 5 passives > 0 passives

Yeah, just...I can't even...

Is +25 attributes makes your character stronger - it will. You have less attributes restrictions, so, you could get better gear, up your skill gem. Am I wrong?

Q.E.D.

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ForsesGIT#6499 schrieb:

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

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ForsesGIT#6499 schrieb:

Simple example:
I'll take +25 attributes, it is make my character stronger? It will, that's just fact. 5 passives > 0 passives

Yeah, just...I can't even...

Is +25 attributes makes your character stronger - it will. You have less attributes restrictions, so, you could get better gear, up your skill gem. Am I wrong?

Q.E.D.

If you're lvl 90 and can't use your lvl20 gem, then you're doing something wrong.

There is no point in answering your way of 'discussion'.

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

If you're lvl 90 and can't use your lvl20 gem, then you're doing something wrong.

There is no point in answering your way of 'discussion'.

So, you've just ignored the part about gear and calling other players playstyle and experiment "a skill issue".
Clearly, no insulting from you, it's very polite.

Ok. What if I just don't want to check map modifiers, I've chose be lazy and have aggressive "wrong" playstyle, to play with some drink in one hand.
I've already choose Softcore for my playstyle, I don't want any penalty, am I wrong?
If you want be rewarder for risk-reward incentive - play hardcore.

It's EA dude, beta.

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

So your only progress in this game is your level then? .

This has been addressed numerous times, it's not the ONLY goal I guess to actually acknowledge what people are saying would mean you have no argument.

And no, people asking for a change in XP penalty aren't asking for no punishment. Many would be happy if XP could be recovered.

Pointless having a discussion when people like you keep misrepresenting what's being said.

+1

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qQbonmjtAZ#7824 schrieb:

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

So your only progress in this game is your level then? .

This has been addressed numerous times, it's not the ONLY goal I guess to actually acknowledge what people are saying would mean you have no argument.

And no, people asking for a change in XP penalty aren't asking for no punishment. Many would be happy if XP could be recovered.

Pointless having a discussion when people like you keep misrepresenting what's being said.

Strange, because the only thing you're saying is, is that you're losing exp, nothing else. Never do you people bring another argument of losing anything, but exp. Because exp is the way you see this game and with your completionist mindset of needing to reach level 100. Or where are you adressing of losing anything besides exp?

There are literally no arguments on your side of why exactly you NEED to reach 100.

And yet we are waiting for your screenshot on how exactly these 5-10 points would massively boost your char. But I guess it won't be coming. I wonder why.

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

Strange, because the only thing you're saying is, is that you're losing exp, nothing else. Never do you people bring another argument of losing anything, but exp. Because exp is the way you see this game and with your completionist mindset of needing to reach level 100. Or where are you adressing of losing anything besides exp?

It's been adressed ad nauseum. Do you not permanently lose tower influence on map nodes? Do you not lose all the preferable rolls on your juiced waystones? Should everyone assign zero value for time spent just because you do?

And before you bring up currency drops... no, that's not reliable progress - it's gambling.

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bloomhead#3858 schrieb:

There are literally no arguments on your side of why exactly you NEED to reach 100.

And yet we are waiting for your screenshot on how exactly these 5-10 points would massively boost your char. But I guess it won't be coming. I wonder why.

Oh look, he's trying to drag the discussion into theory crafting build improvements, again.