XP loss REMOVED PLEASE

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SpankyKong#9805 schrieb:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 schrieb:

So, what are these "4 layers of punishment"? Because not a single one of these punishments affects the challenge of getting level 100.

I'll answer but you're not going to get free pass to hide from my question.

The 4 layers - I've been over this, and I'm pretty sure it was specifically with you so not sure why you're acting like you don't know:

(1) Dying inflates the time value required to reach level 100, regardless of XP penalty.

(2) All loot that's been left on the ground is permanently lost.

(3) The nodes permanently lose tower influence.

(4) you have to spend another waystone plus anything that was used to juice it.


Please answer my question now. Does level 100 represent a point where there is no reason left to play?

Your question leads nowhere for the argument, anyway.

It depends on the player. For some "level 100" is the last thing they do before quitting the league, for most it's something they don't even bother doing, for some it's just a challenge they take when feeling funny and for others it's part of min/maxing.

1. Nope. Exp loss increases the time needed, if the EXP loss is gone you won't take longer to reach level 100. It's literally how it works.

2. Yes. Because you could've picked it up OR if you die in a map, why would you be allowed to take the loot!? You already had your chance.
Furthermore, has nothing to do with levelling to 100. So...

3. Yes. Because the worst thing that could happen to you happened - you died.
What? Do you think spending another waystone is a reasonable punishment for you DYING? Mkay.
Furthermore, has nothing to do with levelling to 100 again. So...

4. Yes. Repeat and repeat. YOU DIED.
YOU FAILED, but you still want your rewards with basically 0 investment? That's not how PoE works. Man... they should've put the "ele/phys reflect mod" into PoE2, so ppl have an actual reason to cry about losing something.
Furthermore, has nothing to do with levelling to 100, again and again. So...

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JakkerONAIR#4902 schrieb:

Your question leads nowhere for the argument, anyway.

It depends on the player. For some "level 100" is the last thing they do before quitting the league, for most it's something they don't even bother doing, for some it's just a challenge they take when feeling funny and for others it's part of min/maxing.

You've essentially been fear mongering about how it's bad for the game for level 100 to be more accessible. The point of the question is, there are plenty of reasons to keep playing after reaching 100. As in the case for me, being unable to reach level 100 with one character killed my motivation to even finish any other classes or ascendencies.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 schrieb:

1. Nope. Exp loss increases the time needed, if the EXP loss is gone you won't take longer to reach level 100. It's literally how it works.

This is factually wrong. If you die, you're sent back to base and need to take some time to consider if your build can be improved.. and then you have to go back into (a node that went back to zero percent complete). Removing XP penalty reduces the time investment, but there's still a base line of additional time investment that's tacked onto the experience.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 schrieb:

2. Yes. Because you could've picked it up OR if you die in a map, why would you be allowed to take the loot!? You already had your chance.
Furthermore, has nothing to do with levelling to 100. So...

I'm not against this penalty, but you have to be honest - loot you lost can include items that would've powered up your build. Has everything to do with leveling.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 schrieb:

3. Yes. Because the worst thing that could happen to you happened - you died.
What? Do you think spending another waystone is a reasonable punishment for you DYING? Mkay.
Furthermore, has nothing to do with levelling to 100 again. So...

I also accept this penalty, but as an example - I lost tower influence of 20% XP boost. Has everything to do with leveling.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 schrieb:

4. Yes. Repeat and repeat. YOU DIED.
YOU FAILED, but you still want your rewards with basically 0 investment? That's not how PoE works. Man... they should've put the "ele/phys reflect mod" into PoE2, so ppl have an actual reason to cry about losing something.
Furthermore, has nothing to do with levelling to 100, again and again. So...

Again, I'm not against this penalty. But waystones often with mods that boost XP gains, via more rare monsters/bigger packs/etc. Has everything to do with leveling.

No

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You've essentially been fear mongering about how it's bad for the game for level 100 to be more accessible. The point of the question is, there are plenty of reasons to keep playing after reaching 100. As in the case for me, being unable to reach level 100 with one character killed my motivation to even finish any other classes or ascendencies.

That's not fear-mongering, holy. I told you WHY it is how it is and WHY ppl like how it is as it is.
That you lose motivation to play another character because you can't reach level 100 on one character is nonsensical. I hate to break it to you, but you won't reach level 100 even without the EXP penalty anyway.
Btw., what has "starting a new character" to do with "being able to reach 100"? How is that even connected? Just start a new character...

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This is factually wrong. If you die, you're sent back to base and need to take some time to consider if your build can be improved.. and then you have to go back into (a node that went back to zero percent complete). Removing XP penalty reduces the time investment, but there's still a base line of additional time investment that's tacked onto the experience.

Don't say "you are factually wrong" when YOU have no clue and were factually wrong. Do you have a midlife crisis after dying where you have to consider everything? Dude... get back, start a new map and progress. That's a thing of a few seconds.
And having to run an empty map is what you choose to do because you want to progress in that direction with that exact node. You could select another one instead and if not. If you progress through an empty map - that's nothing special, you often progress through empty maps.

If you fail a juiced map and need to run the empty map after - it's like the map way "empty" beforehand in relation to all the "things" on it.

And again. Nothing has a real, noticeable impact on levelling besides the EXP loss. Sure, the "20% increased EXP mod" is technically a thing, but you won't notice it anyway, not in the slightest. And technically everything influences how much exp you are able to gain, but it's not about the gain, it's about a risk and punishment when you fuck up.

At this point, if GGG hasn't seen the countless ideas and recommendations to change how death penalties are handled among the innumerable complaint threads, they aren't paying any attention at all. I'll repost mine for visibility but it's starting to feel like we are averaging a now daily handful of posts that are anti-exp loss or anti-1portal or both and if GGG doesn't start making changes it is only going to harm this game's longevity.

It took less than 5 minutes to come up with these ideas when I initially posted them somewhere:

- Waystone de-levels a tier (Map level -1 in practice), but can be reactivated to reattempt without a reset that would wipe loot or incomplete mechanics; Using a new waystone resets the map and only retains any incomplete or map-wide mechanics (meaning killing a boss, activating Expedition detonator, entering Delirium mirror, or activating at least one breach/ritual altar removes those mechanics).
- Waystone loses one mod per death and becomes "bricked" (cannot add more mods) but can still be reactivated without a reset; Using a new waystone completely resets the map, retaining any incomplete mechanics.
- Currency to reactivate waystone, requiring more of said currency for each lost incomplete mechanic (required to restore Corrupted and Irradiated, but like the previous if you e.g. killed a boss you can't then restore the boss mech).
- Currency to reopen another portal of the same map without a map reset.
- Exp loss is only applied to exp gained in the map.
- Exp loss builds up a "debt" to a cap, perhaps 10%, perhaps more (maybe 25% of total level), but at a certain level of gain you can never zero out completely, only down to the Debt cap.

That jakker guy seriously can't go more than like two posts without insulting/belittling/ condescending other perspectives (& using it as cover for misrepresenting reality).

I've said my peace - all the best to you. I genuinely hope the devs have more awareness for competition & care more about all of their players more than this this guy. If not - their loss and good luck to them.

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SpankyKong#9805 schrieb:

That jakker guy seriously can't go more than like two posts without insulting/belittling/ condescending other perspectives (& using it as cover for misrepresenting reality).

I've said my peace - all the best to you. I genuinely hope the devs have more awareness for competition & care more about all of their players more than this this guy. If not - their loss and good luck to them.

Where was the insult?

Making up some weird scenarios that do not happen in reality and call it an argument does not help anyone.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 schrieb:

Where was the insult?

Making up some weird scenarios that do not happen in reality and call it an argument does not help anyone.

The first post you made in this thread, you were calling people "Karens of gaming." That's just one of many examples of "where was the insult."

I'd say for you to take a step back and look at what you're doing... but honestly I have no reason to believe you're even capable of it, if you can't even recognize that.

After 10 years of this question being asked, you might as well pray.

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SpankyKong#9805 schrieb:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 schrieb:

Where was the insult?

Making up some weird scenarios that do not happen in reality and call it an argument does not help anyone.

The first post you made in this thread, you were calling people "Karens of gaming." That's just one of many examples of "where was the insult."

I'd say for you to take a step back and look at what you're doing, but honestly I have no reason to think you're even capable of it.

Darling, stop making things up all the time. I said:

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If you don't like a game with this kind of risk involved, why are you playing it!? Do you think the "game has to respect my time"? That's some new hoax the Karen's of gaming came up with.

I called ppl who pushed this mindset ("respect my time") Karen's, not you or anyone here. Or did YOU came up with this new wave of "respect my time"?
You are just mad because you felt for the notion "respect my time".