POE2 needs to stop being more like Diablo IV and start being more like POE1.

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Leilu#6611 schrieb:

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Kraythax#2592 schrieb:

We want POE2 to be a sequel to POE1.

Strange huh? Almost like they share a name except one number.

Rambo 2 was a sequel to Rambo 1, they didn't make Rambo a school teacher.
GTA2 was Like GTA1, they didn't turn it into an ARPG.
Sequels are like that.

How to argue against yourself.
There are often drastic genre changes between a first film and its sequel.
Rambo 1 and 2 have little to do with each other, like Alien or Terminator.

The very message of Rambo 1 is completely reversed in its sequel. We go from an anti-war movie to an interventionist action movie.

Rambo 1 and 2 were directed by different people, and imo 2nd one was promptly correcting the 1st controversial political views

Alien [1] and Aliens [2] again directed by different people, if you want to compare Alien movies you would have to go Alien then Prometheus and later, which are very well done as far as continuity goes, even the tech used in the fist one can be explained by the Nostromo being an industrial ship vs the Prometheus being an exploratory vessel so more advanced even if build earlier (my theory at least)

Terminator is not actually different at all, it is a concept that a machine is a neutral tool that can be used for human benefit or its destruction. The name itself is also an astronomical term that describes a line between bright side of the planet and the dark side, which is very well fitted and imo not just a coincident.

"POE2 needs to start being more like POE1."
"the Death Stranding walking simulator with a 3 screen clear build and one shot bosses"
"It was engaging because it couldn't be trivialized."

Bruh, whut?

Every PoE2 drawback you mentioned it inherited from PoE1. PoE2 needs to be LESS like PoE1. And I'm talking about core design, because balance isn't relevant now.

What about being neither?

Being neither like PoE1 and nor D4/D3.

PoE2 is clearly trying to be different here, Ruthless game mode from PoE1 is what it is at it's core.

But PoE2 clearly isn't there yet, the game is currently riddled with balancing issues, and I highly doubt, this is what the devs intent it to be.

0.2.0 is the balancing patch they have been insinuating at, let's wait for that.

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Climet#7103 schrieb:

What about being neither?

Being neither like PoE1 and nor D4/D3.

PoE2 is clearly trying to be different here, Ruthless game mode from PoE1 is what it is at it's core.

But PoE2 clearly isn't there yet, the game is currently riddled with balancing issues, and I highly doubt, this is what the devs intent it to be.

0.2.0 is the balancing patch they have been insinuating at, let's wait for that.

then why name it PoE2 then?

i made a thread very early on stating something similar to OP, however i did change my mind and after I played more of the game and i don't see poe2 being that different to poe1 (just to clarify I don't agree with OP)

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AintCare#6513 schrieb:

then why name it PoE2 then?

i made a thread very early on stating something similar to OP, however i did change my mind and after I played more of the game and i don't see poe2 being that different to poe1 (just to clarify I don't agree with OP)

It's Chris's original vision, Ruthless from PoE1 is the beta test for PoE2. This should directly explain why.

But, Ruthless is basically what GGG wanted PoE to be like, but they found players don't exactly like that, Expedition and Kalandra leagues were the leagues of conflict.

Idea is, PoE, and D4, have become a silly fest of content bloat, and mis-categorizing player speed as definition for player power. People see losing speed as a very, very bad thing, this is agreed by Ben and most PoE1 players. But some don't and so doesn't GGG, for the question - Why? It's because PoE1 feels less like a game and more like an Arcade, D4 is a weird extreme version of this. Also, PoE1 players hated PoE2 years before PoE2 launched - I have proof.

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Climet#7103 schrieb:

What about being neither?

Being neither like PoE1 and nor D4/D3.

PoE2 is clearly trying to be different here, Ruthless game mode from PoE1 is what it is at it's core.

But PoE2 clearly isn't there yet, the game is currently riddled with balancing issues, and I highly doubt, this is what the devs intent it to be.

0.2.0 is the balancing patch they have been insinuating at, let's wait for that.

A ton of systems are borrowed from POE1. The lore is borrowed from POE1. There are only a couple things in POE2 that are new and they are actually just garbage (new links and socket system). The meeting for POE2 had to go something like, "Hey since its no longer an expansion to POE1, why dont we make a new game that is like POE1 but actually is complete garbage." Then they proceeded to UNLEARN what they had supposedly learned in years of expansions. What else could explain using the LEAST popular league mechanics for ascendancy?

Derision asside, after POE2 is going production, and I VERY much doubt it will be Free to Play when they just snagged 60 mil on EA keys, POE1 Settlers of Kalgur, will STILL be the best ARPG out there. Even their new event is garbage, an obvious attempt to test POE2 stuff on POE1 players removing some of the MOST enjoyed features like the atlas skill tree.

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Kraythax#2592 schrieb:

A ton of systems are borrowed from POE1. The lore is borrowed from POE1. There are only a couple things in POE2 that are new and they are actually just garbage (new links and socket system). The meeting for POE2 had to go something like, "Hey since its no longer an expansion to POE1, why dont we make a new game that is like POE1 but actually is complete garbage." Then they proceeded to UNLEARN what they had supposedly learned in years of expansions. What else could explain using the LEAST popular league mechanics for ascendancy?

Derision asside, after POE2 is going production, and I VERY much doubt it will be Free to Play when they just snagged 60 mil on EA keys, POE1 Settlers of Kalgur, will STILL be the best ARPG out there. Even their new event is garbage, an obvious attempt to test POE2 stuff on POE1 players removing some of the MOST enjoyed features like the atlas.

Your subjectivity is surpassing all rationality, I cannot agree with most your points. I can just similarly call PoE1 garbage too indefinitely. It's that easy.

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Climet#7103 schrieb:

Your subjectivity is surpassing all rationality, I cannot agree with most your points. I can just similarly call PoE1 garbage too indefinitely. It's that easy.

You can. I can also point to a plethora of well respected streamers, media content people and so on that will reiterate my point. You are entitled to your opinion but POE2 will always be POE-2 to most POE1 players. Those who think as you do simply want to hijack it for your own uses and the reality is that it is working. Tencent, ... uhh ... i mean .... GGG ... is just going to go for the cynical cash grab and GGG will join the ever expanding ranks of AAA game developers that stink. In a very short time it will lose most of its population as the Gen Z ADHD types find something else to play.

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Kraythax#2592 schrieb:

You can. I can also point to a plethora of well respected streamers, media content people and so on that will reiterate my point. You are entitled to your opinion but POE2 will always be POE-2 to most POE1 players. Those who think as you do simply want to hijack it for your own uses and the reality is that it is working. Tencent, ... uhh ... i mean .... GGG ... is just going to go for the cynical cash grab and GGG will join the ever expanding ranks of AAA game developers that stink. In a very short time it will lose most of its population as the Gen Z ADHD types find something else to play.

Will I be wrong to point out the fact that those “streamers” are also full time Path of Exile 1 players, who have more than 20k hours in PoE1, and their brains have basically acclimated to it, and they resist anything different from this acclimation?

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media content people and so on that will reiterate my point

I don't think they do, PoE2 has 87/100 on Opencritic, with 100% recommended, and all reviewers acknowledge that it's just an Early access review, and the game will go through a lot of changes.

You have the “Liberator of Wraeclast” supporter pack, and it's YOU who consensually gave them money, you are no child, it was always up to you. You cannot just blame Tencent or GGG arbitrarily, and assume yourself to be on the moral high ground, even though you had all opportunity to know what PoE2 is like. (Yes I think your biases stem from here).

All I am saying is: PoE2 is a different game, and it was advertised as such since 2023 ExileCon. It is not going to be PoE1, AND it should NOT be PoE1. It's terrible that GGG haven't kept PoE1 up, but I am sure they will in the future, and PoE1 will not be abandoned. But please leave PoE2 alone, as many like me see tremendous potential in the game, which PoE1 lacks inherently.

POE1 has already been abandoned.