Devs don't read this and it's your fault

crying is feedback, whether we like it or not. it's up to GGG's CMs to filter this feedback into a coherent list of issues.

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Philvil#9636 schrieb:

To summarize, NOTHING IN LIFE will always be 100% to you, NOTHING. It's up to you to measure if the "bad side" of that thing is worth taking for the sake of enjoying the good side of it.

And that's an important thing. Sometimes, you find something you -mostly- like, and you deal with the bad things while enjoying the good things. Because it all fit together, and that's a different take for each and everyone.

But for some reasons., some people here play PoE2 because that's "cool", "new", "trending" or whatever, and force themselves to deal with something they don't even like, and complains about all the bad things because there is to much of it compared to the good things (subjective), while the game is not even designed for them in the first place, but they strictly refuse to accept that fact and to move on to something that suits them better ; and would rather ask the game to revolve around them instead of doing the healthy thing to accept it's never going to be perfect for them.

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DarKWolF90#6544 schrieb:

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Devs are just not reading this at all, I've scoured the forums for threads with GGG answers and they're as rare as a Mirror of Kalandra.


People come here to cry, not to give actual feedback. And when they do try to give feedback, the lack of knowledge and/or misintrepretation of the devs vision on the game's aspects even when they've explicitly stated, is just astonishingly profound.

There is absolutely no useful information for the devs here.
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I agree that GGG doesn't show us that they pay attention to proposed improvements/feebacks but I formally disagree that most threads are just people “crying”.

You only have to look at the first page of this section of the forum to see, with a semblance of honesty, that most of the topics discussed concern problematic subjects (or are considered as such by some players).

Who are we to judge what is “problematic” or not?
Personally, I hate the juicing system via towers. I've talked about it before and I'm currently taking a break (I just hang around the forum from time to time, I don't play anymore) but some people like this system.

Nobody's right or wrong about it.

And finally “People come here to cry, not to give actual feedback”.
Do you consider your thread as “feedback” (which it isn't from my point of view because it has nothing to do with the game itself) or as a message from someone who's “crying”? (no offense, just a reality check).

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Kaewis#5884 schrieb:

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DarKWolF90#6544 schrieb:

[...]
Devs are just not reading this at all, I've scoured the forums for threads with GGG answers and they're as rare as a Mirror of Kalandra.


People come here to cry, not to give actual feedback. And when they do try to give feedback, the lack of knowledge and/or misintrepretation of the devs vision on the game's aspects even when they've explicitly stated, is just astonishingly profound.

There is absolutely no useful information for the devs here.
[...]

I agree that GGG doesn't show us that they pay attention to proposed improvements/feebacks but I formally disagree that most threads are just people “crying”.

You only have to look at the first page of this section of the forum to see, with a semblance of honesty, that most of the topics discussed concern problematic subjects (or are considered as such by some players).

Who are we to judge what is “problematic” or not?
Personally, I hate the juicing system via towers. I've talked about it before and I'm currently taking a break (I just hang around the forum from time to time, I don't play anymore) but some people like this system.

Nobody's right or wrong about it.

And finally “People come here to cry, not to give actual feedback”.
Do you consider your thread as “feedback” (which it isn't from my point of view because it has nothing to do with the game itself) or as a message from someone who's “crying”? (no offense, just a reality check).

Of course this post isn't feedback. It's pointing out a trend that is detrimental to the goal of the very people taking part in said trend.

That's why I gave the most common topics that spawn from it.


Personally, I dont chalk it up to two sides between "I cry" and "git gud". Because somewhere in the middle there's the people that provide the solutions along with the "git gud" standpoint, and in most cases these solutions get deflected with what could be summed up to "I don't wanna do X, I want them to change the game for me"

hence destroying any chance at the "feedback" being taken seriously.

regarding the unwarranted hatred towards streamers:

They are streamers. They literally have video proof of nearly everything they talk about. They provide the BEST quality of feedback. So yes....GGG likely disproportionately "listens" to their feedback over the nonsense generally found here.

And I just love it when people complain that streamers feedback gets acted on over theirs....when they are generally new to the game or very vanilla, vs a streamer who has literally displayed himself playing kk's of hours of the game. No matter what the feedback is, theirs is more valuable. Expertise warrants respect, regardless of opinion.

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dwqrf#0717 schrieb:

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Philvil#9636 schrieb:

To summarize, NOTHING IN LIFE will always be 100% to you, NOTHING. It's up to you to measure if the "bad side" of that thing is worth taking for the sake of enjoying the good side of it.

And that's an important thing. Sometimes, you find something you -mostly- like, and you deal with the bad things while enjoying the good things. Because it all fit together, and that's a different take for each and everyone.

But for some reasons., some people here play PoE2 because that's "cool", "new", "trending" or whatever, and force themselves to deal with something they don't even like, and complains about all the bad things because there is to much of it compared to the good things (subjective), while the game is not even designed for them in the first place, but they strictly refuse to accept that fact and to move on to something that suits them better ; and would rather ask the game to revolve around them instead of doing the healthy thing to accept it's never going to be perfect for them.

Unfortunately games suffer from human "progress" nowadays. When I was a teenager I'd get tons of cds (mainly ps1 and ps2) to check a game that would fit my taste and lead me to have fun. If I didn't like a particular game I'd just drop it and try the next one.

I mean, I'm not saying it was better back in the 90s, it had its own problems back then, and the way games are today also have their upsides like player feedback actually helping the development of a game. The problem is that we rarely see people here who really care about the game and are genuinely asking the devs to make their beloved game better with constructive opinions and solutions on things that are currently really messy. It's mostly like the other dude said, "I don't like it, remove it", they just want to change aspects of the game they don't like in order to make the game "perfect", but they don't realize a game will never be perfect and that by adjusting it to make it perfect for them, it will be less perfect for another person with different tastes.

yes i uninstalled because they zoom the camera

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Philvil#9636 schrieb:

Unfortunately games suffer from human "progress" nowadays. When I was a teenager I'd get tons of cds (mainly ps1 and ps2) to check a game that would fit my taste and lead me to have fun. If I didn't like a particular game I'd just drop it and try the next one.

I mean, I'm not saying it was better back in the 90s, it had its own problems back then, and the way games are today also have their upsides like player feedback actually helping the development of a game. The problem is that we rarely see people here who really care about the game and are genuinely asking the devs to make their beloved game better with constructive opinions and solutions on things that are currently really messy. It's mostly like the other dude said, "I don't like it, remove it", they just want to change aspects of the game they don't like in order to make the game "perfect", but they don't realize a game will never be perfect and that by adjusting it to make it perfect for them, it will be less perfect for another person with different tastes.

Back in the days, the only feedback devs were getting was from a handful of professional journalists specificaly writing reviews about videogames. They knew what they were talking about and had the credentials to express a valuable opinion, which were both helping the devs and promoting their product to the public.

We, as kids, were only able to go out a punch a tree when getting bullied by a game. But as of now, any kids (which are technically already adults, good lord) can become some influencers and take the roles of the journalists, promoting and criticizing products even though they have little to no experience in the given field, and have opinions which aren't thus really valuable but listened to.

And the audience can also go complain directly about it on a forum to try to reach the devs directly, entitled to think that if they can complain in the open, their opinions are as valids as the ones expressed by 'the pros' : every opinion is valid, but opinions grounded in comparative experiences are more valid as constructive feedback than generic opinions by the kid, his dog, and the neighbourg.

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DarKWolF90#6544 schrieb:

Of course this post isn't feedback. It's pointing out a trend that is detrimental to the goal of the very people taking part in said trend.

That's why I gave the most common topics that spawn from it.


Personally, I dont chalk it up to two sides between "I cry" and "git gud". Because somewhere in the middle there's the people that provide the solutions along with the "git gud" standpoint, and in most cases these solutions get deflected with what could be summed up to "I don't wanna do X, I want them to change the game for me"

hence destroying any chance at the "feedback" being taken seriously.

What saddens me is to see GGG's non-answers.

I understand that they're a bit overwhelmed with all the work they have to do, but it's disappointing to see them appear only to ban a thread or remind people that this is a place of “benevolence”.

I've tried twice to post “serious” threads about my more or less objective opinion of the state of the game (I'm aware that I'm nothing and nobody for GGG) but to see that all similar threads are ignored by GGG is a bit dismaying...

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Philvil#9636 schrieb:

The problem is that we rarely see people here who really care about the game and are genuinely asking the devs to make their beloved game better with constructive opinions and solutions on things that are currently really messy.

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Kaewis#5884 schrieb:

What saddens me is to see GGG's non-answers.

I understand that they're a bit overwhelmed with all the work they have to do, but it's disappointing to see them appear only to ban a thread or remind people that this is a place of “benevolence”.

I've tried twice to post “serious” threads about my more or less objective opinion of the state of the game (I'm aware that I'm nothing and nobody for GGG) but to see that all similar threads are ignored by GGG is a bit dismaying...

To both of you:
That's why an upvote system like on reddit would help to keep topics up top that a lot of people agree on.

I have also posted several feedback threads that got buried fast, for there was no angle to attack them, which is the only thing a certain group of people is interested in. We need the constructive posts on top, not the destructive ones.

Again and again I could bring up Last Epoch - not that they are saints, they also have issues -, where they have a voting feature for suggestions. You can propose a change and other users can give it one of their limited votes, which is separate from a generic "like" function. At least, that's how it was when I was around.

I'm honestly curious how the active (important definition) playerbase of PoE2 would vote on those controversial topics that get brought up every day.