XP loss leads to player count loss.

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Knuk#4425 schrieb:
Theres xp loss? Damn. Hard to tell when you make your build good. Lvl 97 and a 96. Games pretty easy. Making 15 to 25 divs a night. Never dying. Sounds like a build issue. Do some research.


If I MUST research a broken unbalanced build in order to complete end game content, I won't be playing on release. GGG is gonna fix this up, but I don't even WANT to have an immortal and broken build. I enjoy the dance of dodge and attack that was in the campaign. If I wanted a walking simulator that requires a third party app for passives, then I would just play POE1. But I don't play POE1 because that isn't appealing. Crazy that you have invested so much time into a game that level 97 is a casual achievement, but you havn't learned to be constructive for the sake of feedback in early access. "game shouldn't be changed because i'm level 97" sure guy. sure. thank you
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We lose 4 hours of our xp bar, think we are staying to play for 4 more hours. Nope.

"See ya! Wouldn't wanna be ya!"

This design is 1999. It's time to get rid of it.

People want to BEAT a game. You set a bar at level 100. They realize it is not possible. Consumer is unsatisfied because they could not get the value out of game. You see they do not know that they are actually playing the game for currency, which is the real end game. They think they bought a video game to beat. My thought is you think that "They will stay until they get 100 no matter how hard it is." Which is not how the world works. There are 1000x more video game releases every day. They are gone, you cannot get them back. Ever.

My question to GGG would be: "Are you willing to die on this sword?" The player count is not showing this game to be a life changing ARPG. So you either give or our patience gives. It's going to be that simple for most of us.

I say this while full heartedly believing it has a place in PoE 1 (it's old). PoE 2. Nope not a chance. Not with this 1 portal garbage. Not if we are trying to EVOLVE ARPGs.'

I want to see this game have 1 million players. Even if I am not one of them. XP penalty alone will keep SO MANY players from staying and funding the game. Fact.

I quit PoE 1 several times due to this punishment. There is already a mental punishment to dying in a game. Yet you want to take it further. It's not how games are in 2025. They just aren't. So I really hope you can unplug parts of the vision for the health of the game. The mental health of it's players, and the only thing that matters to a business. The healthy amount of players (consumers). Let them all hit 100. No one thinks some streamer is cool because they can hit 100 and he cannot. There is no incentive except to punish the people funding the game.

Imagine dying on Call of Duty and they just straight take away your guns and revert your time spent getting them. TIME SPENT. That is what we are being robbed of here. A mechanic that makes people LOG OUT.

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If you read this thanks. My interest in Path of Exile 2 would be 100 fold more if it was a game everyone got to 100 in. With a healthy player base. XP loss is not the way to that.



Firmly disagree with a lot of your takes. Died at 32% into 95 today, did I rage quit? Nope. Went into the next map. Currently at 29%. Started at ~22%. Total time played 4:30 minutes.

It's really not that big of a deal. If I cared THAT much I'd carry and omen and just lose 70ex instead which is very much not a big deal by the time xp loss takes hours to recover from.

If you rage from death, I seriously think that this is a you problem and you need to look into why you are getting so upset over the loss of some pixels in a progress bar - it's not a big deal.

I also firmly disagree that PoE would be a better game with everyone hitting 100. Getting to 100 is a long term stretch goal but if that seems to be your core focus - why? What happens when you do? You quit anyway because apparently you had ONE goal and that was hitting 100.

If you're not having fun going through maps earning and yes losing xp - why are you playing?

PoE is about the journey to 100. It's not about hitting 100 - because there is nothing special there.

Really, it's just a you problem and it's a problem in your mind that you created because you're approaching the game with a singular goal of 'investing' your time into filling an xp bar and getting upset when you lose that time - that's just messed up.

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Knuk#4425 schrieb:
Theres xp loss? Damn. Hard to tell when you make your build good. Lvl 97 and a 96. Games pretty easy. Making 15 to 25 divs a night. Never dying. Sounds like a build issue. Do some research.


If I MUST research a broken unbalanced build in order to complete end game content, I won't be playing on release. GGG is gonna fix this up, but I don't even WANT to have an immortal and broken build. I enjoy the dance of dodge and attack that was in the campaign. If I wanted a walking simulator that requires a third party app for passives, then I would just play POE1. But I don't play POE1 because that isn't appealing. Crazy that you have invested so much time into a game that level 97 is a casual achievement, but you havn't learned to be constructive for the sake of feedback in early access. "game shouldn't be changed because i'm level 97" sure guy. sure. thank you


I dont follow build guides, or watch streamers or watch click bait you tubers.
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Mordgier#6997 schrieb:

Really, it's just a you problem and it's a problem in your mind that you created


He says as the player count has been cut in half with a continuing steady decline in a genre completely starved for a new great game.
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Knuk#4425 schrieb:
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Knuk#4425 schrieb:
Theres xp loss? Damn. Hard to tell when you make your build good. Lvl 97 and a 96. Games pretty easy. Making 15 to 25 divs a night. Never dying. Sounds like a build issue. Do some research.


If I MUST research a broken unbalanced build in order to complete end game content, I won't be playing on release. GGG is gonna fix this up, but I don't even WANT to have an immortal and broken build. I enjoy the dance of dodge and attack that was in the campaign. If I wanted a walking simulator that requires a third party app for passives, then I would just play POE1. But I don't play POE1 because that isn't appealing. Crazy that you have invested so much time into a game that level 97 is a casual achievement, but you havn't learned to be constructive for the sake of feedback in early access. "game shouldn't be changed because i'm level 97" sure guy. sure. thank you


I dont follow build guides, or watch streamers or watch click bait you tubers.


What kind of research do you want me to do? Mimicking of differentiation in pluripotent synthetic cells?

You gotta admit, if going back in forth on the forums is more fun than playing the game, theres an issue haha
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Mordgier#6997 schrieb:

Really, it's just a you problem and it's a problem in your mind that you created


He says as the player count has been cut in half with a continuing steady decline in a genre completely starved for a new great game.


Welcome to every single POE league ever as players drop off and forum is filled with "THE SKY IS FALLING AND THE GAME IS DYING" posts.

I've been seeing this 3-4 times a year for a over decade.

Give me a break.
How often are yall dying at level 70+ for this to be a such a big issue?
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Soop#0082 schrieb:
How often are yall dying at level 70+ for this to be a such a big issue?


I'm level 90 and it's the first time it's been an issue tbh. but I play for a couple hours, die once to something random, and then I'm like welp lets check out the forums instead of playing.
The one thing about the 1 death per waystone is that it prevents you from trying 5 more times on something that will definitely kill you. Thus reducing the amount of xp you would have lost if you're stubborn like me.
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Soop#0082 schrieb:
How often are yall dying at level 70+ for this to be a such a big issue?

4-5 times today. Didn't expect the patch to make things harder, so I played as I did. Not dying anymore since I don't run waystones the same way anymore. Besides it just doesn't need to exist. Hardcore league can brunt the punishment crowd.

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