(3.16) NERFED DO NOT PLAY THIS Raider Archmage BF/BB [CHEAP, Tanky, HCSSF viable, (100m+ dps)

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WrongBlight schrieb:

@ChemistHCSSF

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- Your tree is so terribly unoptimized if you're picking up dodge cluster
- I looked at your character its pretty much the raider tree but with templar start and you travel all the way down to dodge cluster. This is very far from optimal

How is it not optimal?

It's actually equivalent since both converge at same point on witch highway and path through same point by raider start, the only difference is starting nodes and ascendancy points. Even the dex is not wasted / is just 21 over level 21 bb requirement.

Yes, raider can grab some life + evasion, hiero can get ele damage, both can opt out for quicker exit.

Dodge makes perfect sense to survive on ultimatums and is known as most powerfull and efficient defense nodes on tree. I was grabbing supreme ego anyway, so actually grabbing glancing blows and shield nodes is 100% same point cost for me (17).

60/50 dodge with no flasks and 70/60 with does wonders.

That will exceed raider dodge in fact at cost of running omeyocan, which is a heavy investment but also allows you to run perma RF without flasks.

Only case where glancing blows makes sense is if you don't take agnostic and have high ES + corrupted soul, which is a viable option for hiero later on, but definitely not on league start compared to Omeyocan.

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-Your flask options are limited, ours aren't which allows us to dip into mid block, armour and evasion

You definitely shouldn't run any block flasks with acro on softcore as that is the very definition of "inefficient".

Armor gotten from flasks with acro is nothing short of amusing, hiero giggles in background with 4 perma end charges.
Block is also heavily penalized with acro, so no to rumi's.

Yes, you will have extra evasion from cloak and ranger starting nodes if you choose to path that way, not sure how is it related to flasks? You're not suggesting to run a jade flask i hope, most people need just enough to survive most ultimatums, not to not die on hardcore.

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WrongBlight schrieb:

@ChemistHCSSF

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- Your tree is so terribly unoptimized if you're picking up dodge cluster
- I looked at your character its pretty much the raider tree but with templar start and you travel all the way down to dodge cluster. This is very far from optimal

How is it not optimal?

It's actually equivalent since both converge at same point on witch highway and path through same point by raider start, the only difference is starting nodes and ascendancy points. Even the dex is not wasted / is just 21 over level 21 bb requirement.

Yes, raider can grab some life + evasion, hiero can get ele damage, both can opt out for quicker exit.

Dodge makes perfect sense to survive on ultimatums and is known as most powerfull and efficient defense nodes on tree. I was grabbing supreme ego anyway, so actually grabbing glancing blows and shield nodes is 100% same point cost for me (17).

60/50 dodge with no flasks and 70/60 with does wonders.

That will exceed raider dodge in fact at cost of running omeyocan, which is a heavy investment but also allows you to run perma RF without flasks.

Only case where glancing blows makes sense is if you don't take agnostic and have high ES + corrupted soul, which is a viable option for hiero later on, but definitely not on league start compared to Omeyocan.

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-Your flask options are limited, ours aren't which allows us to dip into mid block, armour and evasion

You definitely shouldn't run any block flasks with acro on softcore as that is the very definition of "inefficient".

Armor gotten from flasks with acro is nothing short of amusing, hiero giggles in background with 4 perma end charges.
Block is also heavily penalized with acro, so no to rumi's.

Yes, you will have extra evasion from cloak and ranger starting nodes if you choose to path that way, not sure how is it related to flasks? You're not suggesting to run a jade flask i hope, most people need just enough to survive most ultimatums, not to not die on hardcore.

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Kaegyn schrieb:

Now that WrongBlight has been sufficiently dominated (lol)....

@ChemistHCSSF Worth trying to fit a chest like this or just stick with cloak?

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1.) Tree aside, on yours alone there's multiple spots of inefficient pathing (top left int nodes is an example)

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2.) Dodge does make perfect sense, that's why you play a raider :) we can run omneyocan's as well they're just not as good in general, raider doesn't need them to dodge cap with quartz and Vaal Grace.

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It seems you have a massive disconnect with what raider accomplishes through it's layers. We can push over 1.3m phys EHP alone with a 150k max hit taken. Gl doing the damage, achieving the tankiness or the clear speed of a raider on a Hiero.

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WrongBlight schrieb:

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1.) Tree aside, on yours alone there's multiple spots of inefficient pathing (top left int nodes is an example)

They're for grabbing crit and staff crit nodes there after divesting of bf/bb ;)

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2.) Dodge does make perfect sense, that's why you play a raider :) we can run omneyocan's as well they're just not as good in general, raider doesn't need them to dodge cap with quartz and Vaal Grace.

You don't need to play raider to benefit from dodge, as i pointed out on my tree the cost of glancing blows block was exactly the same 17 points vs grabbing dodge clusters.

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It seems you have a massive disconnect with what raider accomplishes through it's layers. We can push over 1.3m phys EHP alone with a 150k max hit taken. Gl doing the damage, achieving the tankiness or the clear speed of a raider on a Hiero.

Actually that's the problem / dead end and why i did not pick this variation.
Surely you can stuff evasion andb block on top of dodge, but DPS is low for all that EHP and raider has nowhere to go basically because tree start does not favour a crit caster, which you'd want to be on softcore eventually, unless you have insane budget to scale ele overload variant to tens of millions of dps.

So raider is only carried by op bf/bb skill on top of op support that is archmage, but can't go high crit with other skills and dps ceiling is fairly limited.

Hiero walks away perfectly fine.