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Optaka schrieb:
Trying to decide between cobra lash and toxic rain for league starter. Made a pro/con list but maybe someone can spot something I’m missing
Toxic rain pros
Slowing everything with hinder (this will be huge QOL)
Higher single target than cobra lash
Able to pre-stack damage
Mirage archer-can run around while still applying stacks
Cheaper weapon in toxic rain
Damage projection less useful this league from small arenas
Pathfinder has nearly infinite sustain from flasks anyway so “gain on hit” isn’t as needed
Cobra lash pros
Better damage projection-can offscreen instead of ground target
Faster clear speed due to projection, chaining, and poison prolif
Plague bearer-even more clear speed
Life/mana gain on hit is real nice-frees up flask slot(s)
More flexibility in gearing (don’t have to go quill rain and carcass jack)
Increased gear flexibility may benefit more from harvest crafts?
Overall it looks to me like the big difference is cobra lash will be better for zoom zoom clear and TR better for bossing, right? Anything I’m missing?
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Pretty much what you've said.
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UPDATED MELEE TRANSCENDENCE BUILD VARIANT
-now uses Loreweave as body armor and is even tankier than in showcase
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dam, maybe I should try a melee build again. Tbh I tried it at the beginning of Delirium and it was a mess....but so was that entire league. Guess that mean Pestilent Strike or Viper Strike.
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mrwiggiiles schrieb:
dam, maybe I should try a melee build again. Tbh I tried it at the beginning of Delirium and it was a mess....but so was that entire league.
Go with base version of this build and when you accumulate currency start upgrading to Transcendence version. This is probably the last time this Transcendence char will be this strong and it's bonkers good but requires rly good gear. Much of it will be quite easier to get with Harvest now.
Don't want to push you into melee if you are not fond of that playstyle. Do what's most suited to you.
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TorsteinTheFallen schrieb:
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mrwiggiiles schrieb:
dam, maybe I should try a melee build again. Tbh I tried it at the beginning of Delirium and it was a mess....but so was that entire league.
Go with base version of this build and when you accumulate currency start upgrading to Transcendence version. This is probably the last time this Transcendence char will be this strong and it's bonkers good but requires rly good gear. Much of it will be quite easier to get with Harvest now.
Don't want to push you into melee if you are not fond of that playstyle. Do what's most suited to you.
Yeah I really love that version of the build. Which melee ability do you think will be best for 10 bosses =)
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We had many discussions over it. I will be going Venom Gyre. In the end I am very convinced that all of the above gems will be able to clear everything.
I see Cobra Lash as the clearly worst of the 4 options, the others have different pros/cons that you could argue hours about. Best example:
As Thorstein stated I was doing 100% Deli with his gear to test tankyness. Pestilent Strike is just a different "feel". There u kill a single enemy and the poison proliferation annihilates the whole pack. Awakened Melee Spash is a different mechanic, you attack way more enemies at the same time, you don´t have nearly as good as a spread. The Single Target itself is stronger, you can´t kill bosses that easy in big groups though. If they stay as equal in power as they are right now I will always favour Viper Strike while Thorstein will always favour Pestilent. So which one is better? Not really to say, right?
In the end it really comes down to personal preference. I have not a single doubt in my mind that all of the gems will be able to clear 10 Bosses, since the ranged skills profit here as well from the spread/chain. People should worry more about what they want to play in terms of fun, rather than what is better.
Me: I´ll be going venom gyre, even if it is a bit weaker at some points.
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Beitrag vonVennto#1610am 14.01.2021, 06:18:01
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Vennto schrieb:
We had many discussions over it. I will be going Venom Gyre. In the end I am very convinced that all of the above gems will be able to clear everything.
I see Cobra Lash as the clearly worst of the 4 options, the others have different pros/cons that you could argue hours about. Best example:
As Thorstein stated I was doing 100% Deli with his gear to test tankyness. Pestilent Strike is just a different "feel". There u kill a single enemy and the poison proliferation annihilates the whole pack. Awakened Melee Spash is a different mechanic, you attack way more enemies at the same time, you don´t have nearly as good as a spread. The Single Target itself is stronger, you can´t kill bosses that easy in big groups though.
In the end it really comes down to personal preference. I have not a single doubt in my mind that all of the gems will be able to clear 10 Bosses, since the ranged skills profit here as well from the spread. People should worry more about what they want to play in terms of fun, rather than what is better.
Me: I´ll be going venom gyre, even if it is a bit weaker at some points.
Super well put. I'll spend some time on some standard toons and play around with the abelites to get a feel for them all.
Did a little bit of Cobra Lash and the ability was certainly fun to zoom.
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Vennto schrieb:
We had many discussions over it. I will be going Venom Gyre. In the end I am very convinced that all of the above gems will be able to clear everything.
I see Cobra Lash as the clearly worst of the 4 options, the others have different pros/cons that you could argue hours about. Best example:
As Thorstein stated I was doing 100% Deli with his gear to test tankyness. Pestilent Strike is just a different "feel". There u kill a single enemy and the poison proliferation annihilates the whole pack. Awakened Melee Spash is a different mechanic, you attack way more enemies at the same time, you don´t have nearly as good as a spread. The Single Target itself is stronger, you can´t kill bosses that easy in big groups though. If they stay as equal in power as they are right now I will always favour Viper Strike while Thorstein will always favour Pestilent. So which one is better? Not really to say, right?
In the end it really comes down to personal preference. I have not a single doubt in my mind that all of the gems will be able to clear 10 Bosses, since the ranged skills profit here as well from the spread/chain. People should worry more about what they want to play in terms of fun, rather than what is better.
Me: I´ll be going venom gyre, even if it is a bit weaker at some points.
I agree. I mean, i probably start with CL and can switch the 6L setup if i need to kill bosses like sirus or the new boss arena.
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Super well put. I'll spend some time on some standard toons and play around with the abelites to get a feel for them all.
Did a little bit of Cobra Lash and the ability was certainly fun to zoom.
Good choice. Plenty of people don´t even want to try anything and just ask for "what is the best you can do?" From where I stand it takes away a lot of fun. Trying, testing, figuring out what YOU LIKE is part of the fun of that game. If I just blindly copy from someone else I can´t really be proud of my accomplishments, guess that´s just who I am :D
In terms of Cobra Lash: That is fun indeed. In Delirium League I even combined it. I crafted 3 white sockets on my chest and for wave 1-17 I went with Cobra Lash, consistently guaranteeing 6 delirium-rewards. When the damage dropped I swapped for the last waves to melee. But if I go Melee right from the get-go I won´t stand a chance to reach 6 rewards. Depending on the layout and overall movement-speed you sometimes even "only" get 4. The investment for Awk. Multistrike for melee and an additional awk. GMP for Cobra Lash is surely put better into one setup alone but I just wanted to show that even the ranged skills which are generally considered weaker have their strong points and are viable. Specifically in open-layout-speedmapping, Blights, Delirium and I will enjoy them in Ritual-Encounters too I think.
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Beitrag vonVennto#1610am 14.01.2021, 06:29:33
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mrwiggiiles schrieb:
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TorsteinTheFallen schrieb:
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mrwiggiiles schrieb:
dam, maybe I should try a melee build again. Tbh I tried it at the beginning of Delirium and it was a mess....but so was that entire league.
Go with base version of this build and when you accumulate currency start upgrading to Transcendence version. This is probably the last time this Transcendence char will be this strong and it's bonkers good but requires rly good gear. Much of it will be quite easier to get with Harvest now.
Don't want to push you into melee if you are not fond of that playstyle. Do what's most suited to you.
Yeah I really love that version of the build. Which melee ability do you think will be best for 10 bosses =)
Both are fine rly.
Pestilent for me has the edge because of explosions. For example if you kill one boss and he explodes onto another one, damage of Pestilent surpasses Viper Strike.
To simplify, if there are more than 1 enemies able to take damage at the same time Pestilent is better.
For pure single targets like Sirus/Shaper/U Atziri/UE Viper Strike is better.
edit: now i see Vennto responded before me saying basically same thing xD Go with what you like the most.
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