[3.14] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, ✔️All Bosses Down, ✔️Necro, ✔️Elementalist

about the comparison between necro and elem ascendency, your initial guide said that necro was better overall
is it still true ?
Was watching Fated Connections last night and Uber said that TV Spectres got hit with a couple of nerfs this league.

Firstly the Scorching Ray nerf that lowered flat SR damage.

Secondly apparently there was a "feature" of the minion and totem elemental resistance support whereby the 19% more ele damage applied twice; effectively once to the minion and then also to their totems. The change to the Elemental army support will now just give the 29% more elemental damage.

I don't believe either will be particularly significant especially since it's likely we will be getting an extra spectre anyway which I'm sure will more than make up any difference. There may now be a better support gem than elemental army as well given it should be fairly easy to cap spectre ele resists from the tree.
Looking at your tree for Necro my thoughts are skipping going for Sanctity node and instead take the extra golem and connect the path up there.
You can pick up Cruel Preparation up there for the loss in life.

You lose some life and energy shield for sure but with the extra defense we now get as a Necro and the changes to Bone offering(more block) i think we should be good.

That will result in 10 minions right? to get the full benefits of the new Bone Barrier node in Necro.
And 5 golems will push the damage a bit higher.
so with elementalist we get 9 golems and with necro we get 5?
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Jedam81 schrieb:
about the comparison between necro and elem ascendency, your initial guide said that necro was better overall
is it still true ?


Hello :)

Necro is still cheaper and safer to level with. I recommend starting with Necro and then later convert to Elementalist when you have currency to buy all Golem stuff.

You can also level as Elementalist, but you really want to get Clayshaper with Primordial chain as soon as possible. Recent leagues Primordial Chains can cost up to 0.5-1 ex for few days / week, so that is my main worry with Elementalist at early levels.

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Was watching Fated Connections last night and Uber said that TV Spectres got hit with a couple of nerfs this league.

Firstly the Scorching Ray nerf that lowered flat SR damage.

Secondly apparently there was a "feature" of the minion and totem elemental resistance support whereby the 19% more ele damage applied twice; effectively once to the minion and then also to their totems. The change to the Elemental army support will now just give the 29% more elemental damage.

I don't believe either will be particularly significant especially since it's likely we will be getting an extra spectre anyway which I'm sure will more than make up any difference. There may now be a better support gem than elemental army as well given it should be fairly easy to cap spectre ele resists from the tree.


Hi :)

If TV's are nerfed too hard, we can go for Cannibal Fire-eaters. They deal similar damage, and also support "Immolate" support that can spawn on Elder helmet, so we don't even lose support from the helmet. They just can't use the "Burning damage" support, so same helmets can't be used for full effect.

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Looking at your tree for Necro my thoughts are skipping going for Sanctity node and instead take the extra golem and connect the path up there.
You can pick up Cruel Preparation up there for the loss in life.

You lose some life and energy shield for sure but with the extra defense we now get as a Necro and the changes to Bone offering(more block) i think we should be good.

That will result in 10 minions right? to get the full benefits of the new Bone Barrier node in Necro.
And 5 golems will push the damage a bit higher.


Hey :)

I also agree that Sanctity doesn't look as appealing as before. Can you please create example links with Poeplanner or PoB? I have to edit the guide for most of the day, so I unfortunately have very little time for tweaking skill-trees. If PoB finally updates, I will have to most likely write after that till the release.

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so with elementalist we get 9 golems and with necro we get 5?


Hi :)

We can now get 11 Golems with Elementalist and 5 with Necro. However going for the extra Golem costs 5x nodes that are very, very inefficient. I'm not really sold on the node yet, but maybe there is a way to take it without losing too much from elsewhere.



Path of Building is still not updated, but I will be editing the guide to reflect new skill-tree and changed stats as well as I can. At the moment there are still some errors between old and new stuff, but they should be ironed put during the day. If you find anything that looks like I could miss it, please post if on thread or PM me.

There can still be slight changes to PoB and skill-tree, but I believe that gear and gems are pretty much final until the release or at least till be get PoB data out.
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Zuletzt bearbeitet von mika2salo#7776 um 06.09.2019, 05:10:34
where does the 11 golem come from? i only count 9,what did i miss?
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Lyutsifer665#1671 um 06.09.2019, 05:20:46
Here you go.

https://pastebin.com/VVXxBMMf

Skipping Sanctity and connecting the path way up instead.

Is it worth it?
I cant say for sure but Necro gets a big boost to defense so i am willing to loose some to get more damage.

And some small part of me really like getting 10 minions to fully take advantage of Bone Barrier. I know it is not that much more you get but you get it all :)
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Exxxiled665 schrieb:
where does the 11 golem come from? i only count 9,what did i miss?


Hello :)

My mistake, we can get 11x with dual Clayshapers but with Pledge we get 9x. You were right.

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Here you go.

https://pastebin.com/VVXxBMMf

Skipping Sanctity and connecting the path way up instead.

Is it worth it?
I cant say for sure but Necro gets a big boost to defense so i am willing to loose some to get more damage.

And some small part of me really like getting 10 minions to fully take advantage of Bone Barrier. I know it is not that much more you get but you get it all :)


Hey :)

Thanks!

I actually cooked exactly same tree and was just posting it when you sent yours ^^

Well if we both reached same conclusion, I guess it can't be much worst then the original. Only problem is that I have to now write most of the leveling guide...

New PoB :
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Looks like we are getting the extra Golem after all!



UPDATE

I updated all skill-trees and leveling section for the new route. Overall there are some big changes in the tree, but I really what we get with this.

Tons of defenses make life easier on endgame bosses, delve and potentially dangerous encounters like Syndicates.

Extra Golem and increased area of effect let Golems shotgun more and also opens up choice to replace Clayshaper with new minion wand if is has really good stats.

Animate Guardian and other minions got huge defensive buff. They now actually have capped elemental resistances outside of aura range, have almost capped chaos resistance and have Energy Shield added on top of their HP.

Big thanks for you all that keep posting on the thread! You really helped a lot in shaping the build for it's new, better form. I feel really confident for the league with this new setup and hope you all get to enjoy it too while using it ^^
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Zuletzt bearbeitet von mika2salo#7776 um 06.09.2019, 07:54:12
Hi,

We could also use the new league feature and use the oils for the extra golem:

Golem Commander (Azure Oil + Silver Oil + Golden Oil)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-7JMc6ux0jSblGbQsV0qB1f2mNdVz1XqODMkLqMoShw/htmlview?sle=true
@mika: So we should still use primordial might and not one of the new gems?

You don't use any new gems?!

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