[2.6] SignalShot™ CI Full Ele Conversion TS/Barrage / Shaper & Uber Deathless / with video!

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DicemanX schrieb:
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AmericanPsychx schrieb:
First of all: love the build. I have sunk a TON of currency into the build and would love to see what you guys think I can improve on.
W/ Auras im at
Barrage:81k
LA:89k
9k es.

Anything you pros could recommend I improve next besides waiting for standard and getting a Brood Twine or something crazy?

Thanks in advance, and thanks for the build.

Character: Archwolf


Looking pretty solid, although if you want to squeeze more dps out of the build you should check in Path of Building whether speccing out of Arcing Blows and Quickstep and putting those points into the passives leading up to Aspect of Lynx and Weapon Artistry is better. You should also check how much better it is to put the points into Influence - if you choose to go with the 4% reduced mana reserved passive, then getting Influence is actually quite efficient especially once you shift over to Herald of Ash.

Also, you have a ton of ES from your Gloves and Chest, so the Energy from Within can be ditched in favor of a 4 dps affix jewel. If you do this, take the points out of Melding and put them into Foresight. The pretty big dps gains from that jewel slot outweigh the slight loss of ES.

Otherwise, its just a question of incrementally improving some of your gear (getting slightly better dps affixes on your rings, amulet, and some jewels) and gaining more levels for more jewel slots.

One last suggestion: if you like the Frenzy Charge generation, consider replacing Slower Projectiles in your LA links with Ice Bite, and maybe even swap Increased Critical Strikes with Innervate. You'll make up the dps with HoA, and free up some gem slots for massive dps boosts vs Guardians/Shaper in the form of Spell Totem + Elemental Weakness or Enhance + Blood Rage. The evasion reduction from Poacher's Mark isn't really that relevant versus trash mobs - its the bosses that you need to reliably hit, and you won't trigger Poacher's Mark against bosses too often. If you're concerned about accuracy versus bosses, shift to Blasphemy + Poacher's Mark or just get some more accuracy on Rings/Amulet/Helm.

As you improve your dps, it will be time to switch from Pierce to Chain, and maybe even from LMP to GMP for LA. At a certain dps level Chain will be far better than Pierce.


DicemanX Thank you very much for the thoughtful response. Just dealing with the first two paragraphs, I am now sitting at 98k barrage and 108 LA in hideout with auras while still at 8.3k es. 138k & 153k with flasks.

As for the suggestions, thank you for those as well I am going to try to wrap my head around everything and see what works best for me. Maybe ill message you down the road for some more advice if that's cool. Peace and thnx again!
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Rupenus schrieb:
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lazzyguy schrieb:
got a quick question, i'm gonna be running tornado shot/barrage with a double legacy reach of council. what gem should i swap out for gmp? also is reach of council good for barrage? does the extra arrows add more dps to barrage? i would really like to do this build without having to buy another expensive bow


double leg reach is amazing bow for this build, 355pdps reach is equal to 440 pdps bow for barrage.
yes, double leg reach adds +4 additional arrows to barrage, you can see the numbers of arrows per shot for barrage in your tooltip information.

leg reach 6l is like, increased critical strikes + phys to lightning + ele focus + wed + barrage + phys proj damage.


hey, thanks for the reply, i was following another LA builds which used blast rain as single target damage, but that build required a second bow with good dpds, glad to know that barrage works very well with reach of council

i was actually referring to the tornado shot gem setup when using reach of council. If i use reach of council, will i need to change anything else about the build? or does it all apply the same (except for the gmp on tornado shot)

also what is the advantage of tornado shot over lightning arrow?
IGN: zappyashe
17k TS dps in HO :) 79 lvl
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lazzyguy schrieb:
i was actually referring to the tornado shot gem setup when using reach of council. If i use reach of council, will i need to change anything else about the build? or does it all apply the same (except for the gmp on tornado shot)

also what is the advantage of tornado shot over lightning arrow?


you can run whatever feels the best with tornado shot and reach. i was personally using tornado/gmp/phys to light/wed/crit strikes and either pierce or chain. you can swap out crit strikes for faster attacks or ppad and also swap out gmp for something. you can pretty much pick and choose whatever you feel clears faster.

in terms of LA/TS, LA is better aoe clear, TS is better single target, which can be useful in juicy difficult to position/hit if they are spawning ads everywhere.

so yeah, just mess about and try out some different things as there is not really a right answer and a ton of things are viable.
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Rupenus schrieb:
you need accuracy from gear, you may use shaper's touch(diceman has a post about it in last 15-20 pages)

or acquire flat accuracy from rings.

that's your biggest problem. you must be missing most of your shots, or not be able to deal crit even though you have enough crit chance in the character sheet.


Good point there. Thank you very much. I didn't found dicemanx post (yet, i'll try it harder later) What I see is that swapping gems I can get an accuracy of 2050. I know i need to change mi jewerly, i'll do it asap, but talking about accuracy, how much accuracy do u think i need? Because i remember read in this forum 2000 it's ok, but i don't remember is ok to do what.
On the other hand, I'll try the wise oak flask, that maybe help me about penetration.

Ty for your tips and time :-)

In case this helps anyone, i started running blood rage b/c I don't want to and can't get skyforths. It's really solid frenzy generation, and boosts my dps by 30k each skill. With less duration I can survive a full 5 seconds of it even if I am struggling to find something to kill.
Maybe one day GGG will realize we don't like Labyrinth. ha.
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yastu schrieb:
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Rupenus schrieb:
you need accuracy from gear, you may use shaper's touch(diceman has a post about it in last 15-20 pages)

or acquire flat accuracy from rings.

that's your biggest problem. you must be missing most of your shots, or not be able to deal crit even though you have enough crit chance in the character sheet.


Good point there. Thank you very much. I didn't found dicemanx post (yet, i'll try it harder later) What I see is that swapping gems I can get an accuracy of 2050. I know i need to change mi jewerly, i'll do it asap, but talking about accuracy, how much accuracy do u think i need? Because i remember read in this forum 2000 it's ok, but i don't remember is ok to do what.
On the other hand, I'll try the wise oak flask, that maybe help me about penetration.

Ty for your tips and time :-)



Good question: what exactly is enough accuracy for the build?

It is presumed that Shaper, along with other level 84 monsters, has around 5900 evasion. This is based on data generated back when max mob level was 79.

Accuracy is calculated in the following way (from the wiki):



If your accuracy is 2000, then your chance to hit shaper is around 85.3%.

If you raise your accuracy to 3000, then your chance to hit shaper is around 89.7%

If you raise your accuracy to 4000, then your chance to hit shaper is around 92.1%

As the numbers show, accuracy enters some harsh diminishing returns, and it's usually not worth trying to scale the accuracy beyond around 3000. However, an accuracy value of 2000 isn't very good, particularly for a crit build. For critical hits the accuracy will be rolled against twice, the first time to determine whether a hit will land, and a second time to see if a crit will land (and if it doesn't it will end up being a regular hit, not a critical hit).

In the overall dps calculations this means that the chance to hit will be multiplied twice, so the lower the chance to hit the worse it will be for critical hits.

My advice for Signalshot? Shoot for around 3000 accuracy. You can achieve this with two T1 accuracy rolls on Rings/Amulet/Gloves/Helm + an Ice Golem (which you can also buff with Empower or even Minion life/Minion Ele Resists), but without wasting passive points on stuff like Acuity or Depth Perception. If you're having trouble amassing a lot of accuracy, consider using Shaper's Touch - at the cost of a little ES (if you're suing a pair of rare 200ES gloves) you'll gain typically around 600-700 flat accuracy from your intelligence stat.

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DicemanX schrieb:
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yastu schrieb:
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Rupenus schrieb:
you need accuracy from gear, you may use shaper's touch(diceman has a post about it in last 15-20 pages)

or acquire flat accuracy from rings.

that's your biggest problem. you must be missing most of your shots, or not be able to deal crit even though you have enough crit chance in the character sheet.


Good point there. Thank you very much. I didn't found dicemanx post (yet, i'll try it harder later) What I see is that swapping gems I can get an accuracy of 2050. I know i need to change mi jewerly, i'll do it asap, but talking about accuracy, how much accuracy do u think i need? Because i remember read in this forum 2000 it's ok, but i don't remember is ok to do what.
On the other hand, I'll try the wise oak flask, that maybe help me about penetration.

Ty for your tips and time :-)



Good question: what exactly is enough accuracy for the build?

It is presumed that Shaper, along with other level 84 monsters, has around 5900 evasion. This is based on data generated back when max mob level was 79.

Accuracy is calculated in the following way (from the wiki):



If your accuracy is 2000, then your chance to hit shaper is around 85.3%.

If you raise your accuracy to 3000, then your chance to hit shaper is around 89.7%

If you raise your accuracy to 4000, then your chance to hit shaper is around 92.1%

As the numbers show, accuracy enters some harsh diminishing returns, and it's usually not worth trying to scale the accuracy beyond around 3000. However, an accuracy value of 2000 isn't very good, particularly for a crit build. For critical hits the accuracy will be rolled against twice, the first time to determine whether a hit will land, and a second time to see if a crit will land (and if it doesn't it will end up being a regular hit, not a critical hit).

In the overall dps calculations this means that the chance to hit will be multiplied twice, so the lower the chance to hit the worse it will be for critical hits.

My advice for Signalshot? Shoot for around 3000 accuracy. You can achieve this with two T1 accuracy rolls on Rings/Amulet/Gloves/Helm + an Ice Golem (which you can also buff with Empower or even Minion life/Minion Ele Resists), but without wasting passive points on stuff like Acuity or Depth Perception. If you're having trouble amassing a lot of accuracy, consider using Shaper's Touch - at the cost of a little ES (if you're suing a pair of rare 200ES gloves) you'll gain typically around 600-700 flat accuracy from your intelligence stat.



woooow, man, tyvm. I think i need to do some tests now. It's interesting the option of getting shaper's Touch, but i've 7000 ES atm and if i remove my gaunlets go down to 6000. On the other hand, i can get more ES just with discipline, but for get on discipline y have to remove or both heralds (ash and thunder just to keep hatred + discipline) and i'll get with 7.2K ES (with shaper's touch).
I have to sacrifice 7K of damage just to get 700 / 800 accuracy more.
Maybe with time, i'll be change my jewerly. I think there are more important things to change atm.

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Btw, I post here few days ago that I feel this build weak, etc etc.. dammn, I just ran few Tier 16 maps today deathless, I think is the strongest and effective build i test ever. So happy. Ty all.
sad.. im using broodtwine.. dps for ts 47k and barrage is 57k without buffs.. skilltree non legecy vinktar
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Chazier schrieb:
sad.. im using broodtwine.. dps for ts 47k and barrage is 57k without buffs.. skilltree non legecy vinktar


thats an accomplishment, i have 32k default attack with brood twine : )
"You have great power. You're right to be proud. It's unfortunate you have to die now, but I will honor you with 45% of my strength."
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