Enki's Arc Witch Memorial Page & POE 2 Arc Summary

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Nyangoro schrieb:

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Mike1980 schrieb:

I know he is doable, but comparing to storm brand setups my tries take ages and in last phase he manages to teleport and oneshot me after some time since it takes me 5 min to take 20% of his hp.

This might come off as offensive to some but:

That's the problem with this build in endgame content: it plays out a lot more unforgiving than what a lot of their users would admit.

I did briefly theorycraft an aura-stacking variant of the arc witch for the sake of 90% elemental resists/Chaos Innoculation/high evasion+armour etc, but it's just a weaker version of arc guardian/scion.

You are comparing apples and oranges. If you have the budget to set up aura stacker and spend it on Enki's arc witch instead, A8 Sirus and Uber Elder will not be unforgiving. They'll be jokes.

On the other hand, if you're talking about deep delve/100% delirius maps as "endgame content", then I'd agree that this build is not the most efficient use of currency. It never meant to be one anyway, and neither did any other builds that label themselves as beginner.

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Gimdornim schrieb:

You are comparing apples and oranges. If you have the budget to set up aura stacker and spend it on Enki's arc witch instead, A8 Sirus and Uber Elder will not be unforgiving. They'll be jokes.

It's merely a myth that the nominal 300% aurastacker build is particularly expensive. If you try to min-max 400% with perfect notables 6 passive clusters, that's when it starts to get exorbitant, but 300% aura value to hit 90% AR? That's easily achieveable with subpar 4-5 passive medium clusters and 1c uniques.

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Gimdornim schrieb:

On the other hand, if you're talking about deep delve/100% delirius maps as "endgame content", then I'd agree that this build is not the most efficient use of currency. It never meant to be one anyway, and neither did any other builds that label themselves as beginner.

"Beginner build" is a misnomer if they do not cruise said beginners through endgame content with minimal effort.

Which is the case for this build, because it has a signifcantly higher skill requirement by virtue of demanding the user dodge fatal mechanics that other builds can innately nullify with a similar level of investment.

Hi guys, with my current equipment I am able to kill Sirus in one run and finish all shaper and elder fragments maps but I'm not so sure about going in to the key of decay and also key to the crucible. Can anyone take a look at my build and tell me if I will stand a chance in these fights?

my pob: https://pastebin.com/CZubM1iU

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bananacandy98 schrieb:

Hi guys, with my current equipment I am able to kill Sirus in one run and finish all shaper and elder fragments maps but I'm not so sure about going in to the key of decay and also key to the crucible. Can anyone take a look at my build and tell me if I will stand a chance in these fights?

my pob: https://pastebin.com/CZubM1iU

Personally I think both of those fights are easier than A8 Sirus. The next one, where you fight both Elder and Shaper at the same time might be a little harder but all of them are really just mechanical, you have the necessary damage. Do watch a video or two though, some of the mechanics are counterintuitive.

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BuckFutter9 schrieb:

Personally I think both of those fights are easier than A8 Sirus. The next one, where you fight both Elder and Shaper at the same time might be a little harder but all of them are really just mechanical, you have the necessary damage. Do watch a video or two though, some of the mechanics are counterintuitive.

I see, will check some videos out, thanks!

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Nyangoro schrieb:

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Gimdornim schrieb:

You are comparing apples and oranges. If you have the budget to set up aura stacker and spend it on Enki's arc witch instead, A8 Sirus and Uber Elder will not be unforgiving. They'll be jokes.

It's merely a myth that the nominal 300% aurastacker build is particularly expensive. If you try to min-max 400% with perfect notables 6 passive clusters, that's when it starts to get exorbitant, but 300% aura value to hit 90% AR? That's easily achieveable with subpar 4-5 passive medium clusters and 1c uniques.

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Gimdornim schrieb:

On the other hand, if you're talking about deep delve/100% delirius maps as "endgame content", then I'd agree that this build is not the most efficient use of currency. It never meant to be one anyway, and neither did any other builds that label themselves as beginner.

"Beginner build" is a misnomer if they do not cruise said beginners through endgame content with minimal effort.

Which is the case for this build, because it has a signifcantly higher skill requirement by virtue of demanding the user dodge fatal mechanics that other builds can innately nullify with a similar level of investment.

Can you name any such "beginner build" that will cruise a noob through endgame content? With the possible exception of a summoner build, I can't think of any beginner build that really achieves this.

Enki has always been up-front that he wants people playing his build to actually learn the mechanics of the game and the fights. Learning to dodge the Shaper's slam, for instance, is a good thing for a beginner. I've found the build able to easily tank things that would honestly kill most other builds, though I admit I've invested a fair bit into it at this point. But the build still works well on a reasonable budget, which is important.

I'm not really trying to argue here--there are certainly stronger builds that you can make work with less currency, if you know how--but I do feel it necessary to chime in that I've done all endgame content deathless with this build this league and it's definitely the character I go for when I need something rock-solid.

As a new player the build has been great; straight forward playstyle and decent-enough gear has been easy/cheap enough to find/make/buy. Though I haven't yet done all the endgame content, what I have done has felt challenging but doable. The game is sort of overwhelming for someone new and Enki's detail at the beginning and the active thread here were/are quite helpful.

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Nyangoro schrieb:

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Gimdornim schrieb:

You are comparing apples and oranges. If you have the budget to set up aura stacker and spend it on Enki's arc witch instead, A8 Sirus and Uber Elder will not be unforgiving. They'll be jokes.

It's merely a myth that the nominal 300% aurastacker build is particularly expensive. If you try to min-max 400% with perfect notables 6 passive clusters, that's when it starts to get exorbitant, but 300% aura value to hit 90% AR? That's easily achieveable with subpar 4-5 passive medium clusters and 1c uniques.

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Gimdornim schrieb:

On the other hand, if you're talking about deep delve/100% delirius maps as "endgame content", then I'd agree that this build is not the most efficient use of currency. It never meant to be one anyway, and neither did any other builds that label themselves as beginner.

"Beginner build" is a misnomer if they do not cruise said beginners through endgame content with minimal effort.

Which is the case for this build, because it has a signifcantly higher skill requirement by virtue of demanding the user dodge fatal mechanics that other builds can innately nullify with a similar level of investment.

I've done aura stacker myself in the past league, and from what I see in this league it definitely requires at least 20ex to get going. Post us a character that you've done significantly less than that and we'll discuss. You'll also not be able to do enjoy aura stacking during levelling. Try telling beginner that they'll be on their own until they make it into lvl 80s to transit to aura stacker.

The second paragraph is particularly curious. "Beginner" in my opinion has completely different meaning. It means allowing you to learn about the game and do all contents, but the contents will still provide challenges. You'll not be afking Sirus storm, afking blight, stomping through T17+ delirius maps like they are T1s. If something requires dodging/repositioning/planning, you'll have to do so. You won't die if you just eat a fraction of Sirus beam due to high MoM, which makes Sirus less punishing than for most beginner builds(most I've played will simply die), but you will definitely die if you just want to stand still and spam arc. So it allows you to beat Sirus, but you still need to learn him. You seem to think that a beginner build should definitely prevent the character from dying in all situations. That's not a beginner build. That's an immortal build, which is created with a special purpose in mind: face tanking everything. Let us take a look at some long-living beginner builds on forum: spectre, ED trickster, TR pathfinder, etc. Which one is designed so that you can face tank Sirus? You can certainly try any builds that pleases you, and I used Enki's arc as a league starter myself to earn enough currency for 2 other builds I'm playing atm. But blaming not being able to finish Sirus on Enki's arc is to me a bit like blaming not being able to finish twilight strand -- you can still die there, but it's likely user error.

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Nyangoro schrieb:

"Beginner build" is a misnomer if they do not cruise said beginners through endgame content with minimal effort.

Which is the case for this build, because it has a signifcantly higher skill requirement by virtue of demanding the user dodge fatal mechanics that other builds can innately nullify with a similar level of investment.

I also want to chime in to mention the useful details provided by this guide.

I agree your point that this build cannot be totally newbie-free due to the lack of tankiness at end game. However, with so many details, this guide is helpful to develop a beginner out of their newbie zone.

I haven't found another guide that can explain details e.g. leveling suggestions so well like this one.

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WorderMostFoul schrieb:

Can you name any such "beginner build" that will cruise a noob through endgame content? With the possible exception of a summoner build, I can't think of any beginner build that really achieves this.

I mean, you answered the question yourself. But even putting summoner builds aside, the aura variant of Arc is definitely in the middle of non-aura Arc and summoners in terms of difficulty, if a balance between "beginner-friendly" and "learning mechanics" is truly sought after.

At the very least, the frustration of getting one-shotted by a stray hit in between block chance failing and Arcane Surge dropping would be much lesser.