[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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Zinja schrieb:

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basta1982 schrieb:

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Zinja schrieb:

So with some gear changes and 2 more jewels im at 68k dps with hatred+ HOA. I figure the 10k dps difference of franknberry is owing to his more skill points due to higher level.



68K dps with HOA+ Hatred ( still needing a belt to fix resistances...)

I think this is the max i can churn out maintaining that 70% base crit ..

i would appreciate some help in min/maxing the tree/ pathing .

am i investing into redundant dps nodes or any where i can get more life/ resists on nodes without compromising dps/crit chance..
i still need a node in str when i replace my belt.

Don't know if it's a bug or something, but "one hand melee damage" is shown as skilled which is of course useless. Another thing: If you are already investing 2 points into str/int with "wisdom of the glade" and "master of the arena" you could actually go for primal spirit instead and at least gain something useful (mana, flask charges) beside.
And.. i am not a big fan of Depth percection: Would go for the last frenzy nodes and dualist-lifeleechnodes instead.

its the accuracy of the depth perception that got me into it.
That one hand melee damage is a bug. idk why it shows up some times.. maybe miss-click when navigating tree?
That 30 int from the node exactly balances 98 int to run purity till im able to fix my belt and get cap resists.
id still need like 17 more str when that happens aside from the +20 of the master of the areana...( i guess at which point id have to skim a point in movement speed to get that )
I run blood rage so i figured 1% life regen is okayish...

Well like i said the reason for your accuracy-problem is not having flat accuracy on gear, which means %-nodes are even less useful. You should try to get at least 300 acc on gear, better up to 500. With str/int it's pretty much the same: You should just gain more from your gear, than you actually do. Plus lvl20 curse on hit, which you should really run needs with 111 even more int, than the 98 you have been talking about.

makes sense , didn't know gear accuracy is more than the nodes. you are right i do need 111 int.

Though what baffles me is does HOA linked to assassin mark work when you are running hatred..

Hello,

I have 2 questions.

1) What gems you advise to use until 38 lvl (TS min requirements)?

2) Is Skyforth good for this build?

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Zinja schrieb:

makes sense , didn't know gear accuracy is more than the nodes. you are right i do need 111 int.

Though what baffles me is does HOA linked to assassin mark work when you are running hatred..

Well you have always pretty much 2 options for assassins mark: To cast it yourself with splitarrow, coh and chain or to run coh with herald of ice or thunder. Herald of ash works of course only with the first option. I would recommand to use the second option anyway, which means hoa out, hoi in.

About acc: That's not really the right way to say it, but if your total amount of flat acc is kind of lowish, then - of course - % acc doesn't really help a lot as well, because the base is just too low.

just checked. HOA doesn't proc when running hatred because hatred + crits shatters... which does not cause the ignite/burn effect of HOA to proc

incidentally Me running Hatre+ HOI generated power charges and made my dps go up by 5K

Hatred+ HOA - 95k dps with frenzy charges

Hatred+ HOI- 101k dps with frenzy + 3 power charges..

either going by dps or synergy with shatter i think HOI does give more dps than HOA ( standalone )

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Zinja schrieb:

just checked. HOA doesn't proc when running hatred because hatred + crits shatters... which does not burn from the HOI.

incidentally Me running Hatre+ HOI generated power charges and made my dps go up by 5K

Hatred+ HOA - 95k dps with frenzy charges

Hatred+ HOI- 101k dps with frenzy + 3 power charges..

either going by dps or synergy with shatter i think HOI does give more dps than HOA ( standalone )

You are too focused on paper-dps anyway. It's not only about the power charges, it's about the curse itself. Assassins mark gives 9% more crit, and it really means 9% more and not 9% of your basecrit, plus they receive a lot more damage from critical strikes. The paper-dps won't show this at all, cause it's a debuff, but this is really, really huge!

Btw cause the guide kind of lacks this information as well: Assassins mark is the only way to go over the 95% critcap, - if you got min. 91% with charges up you'll actually have 100% critchance. But before acc comes into play: First time roled to check if you actually hit and then a second time to check if your crit hits, - which is why acc is so important, because it's roled 2 times for critting.

It works pretty much like this to really crit: Hit (acc)? yes, crit (critchance)? yes, crithit (acc)? yes

I need an advice, i hesitate about two options :


Hatred + HOA + HOI (auto curse AA) and Alpha's Howl.

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Hatred + HOI and Rat's Nest.


It's like to choose between flat dps increase (HOA) and CC (Rat's)... :(

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valraukar7 schrieb:

I need an advice, i hesitate about two options :


Hatred + HOA + HOI (auto curse AA) and Alpha's Howl.

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Hatred + HOI and Rat's Nest.


It's like to choose between flat dps increase (HOA) and CC (Rat's)... :(

Rats Nest has a lot more to offer than just crit. Attack and movement speed are big as well. Imho it's probably one of the most powerful items in relation to it's costs. - So even though i know some people like Alphas a lot, i would always go for Rats Nest.

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basta1982 schrieb:

Rats Nest has a lot more to offer than just crit. Attack and movement speed are big as well. Imho it's probably one of the most powerful items in relation to it's costs. - So even though i know some people like Alphas a lot, i would always go for Rats Nest.

Question is, with my setup, does it worth to lose HOA and HA for RN ? That's the point.

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valraukar7 schrieb:

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basta1982 schrieb:

Rats Nest has a lot more to offer than just crit. Attack and movement speed are big as well. Imho it's probably one of the most powerful items in relation to it's costs. - So even though i know some people like Alphas a lot, i would always go for Rats Nest.

Question is, with my setup, does it worth to lose HOA and HA for RN ? That's the point.

How is this any different to the question in general? The question you are asking is, if another herald + alphas is better than rats nest, or? And i'd say no.
It was quite clear to me that you are talking about having less mana reserved to get another permabuff, because... well that is what is alphas made for.