Nimiz & Boss damage dilemma [solved]

I wanna try farming Uber Exarch for some Forbiden Jewels.
My goal is obv to kill him before the Ball Phase.

Although i have 11 projectile with flasks actice, due to Nimiz only ~25% of them hits the boss.
Including the returning projectiles its still only 50%.
So i assume without Nimiz my damage doubles.

Is this assertion roughly correct?
If so, is there a better replacement specific for Exarch other than a 2nd Taming?

Build is LS Slayer.

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So i assume without Nimiz my damage doubles.

Is this assertion roughly correct?

According to the 1st page of DPS ranking in poe.ninja (Settlers League),

Without "The Squire" and with "Nimis" LS slayer build ranges 7.7M ~ 41M
https://poe.ninja/builds/settlers?skills=Lightning+Strike&class=Slayer&items=!The+Squire,Nimis&sort=dps

Without "The Squire" and without "Nimis" LS slayer build ranges 17M ~ 80M
https://poe.ninja/builds/settlers?skills=Lightning+Strike&class=Slayer&items=!The+Squire,!Nimis&sort=dps
(I excluded rank 1 since it seems exceptional case)

Seems like it's roughly correct.

Edit
The reason for the "w/o The Squire" query is because it's too specific. In other words, it would be a "Squire or non-Squire build" comparison rather than LS (slayer) build.

Not sure this method is viable.

The first 2 chars i checked had attack projectiles return to you enchant on their weapon which is litterally a Nimiz.

After I reduced it to Claw/Shield, the spread has already been decreased.
Might be a good indicator though.

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LoTharios#3338 schrieb:

Although i have 11 projectile with flasks actice, due to Nimiz only ~25% of them hits the boss.
Including the returning projectiles its still only 50%.
So i assume without Nimiz my damage doubles.

It doesn't matter how many projectiles hit the boss, they don't shotgun. Returning allows projectiles to hit twice.

No matter how many of your total projectiles hit the boss, nimis will DOUBLE that damage because all the projectiles that DO hit will hit twice.

Removing Nimis won't suddenly make more projectiles hit the boss....at least in most cases. Also I'm pretty sure that the same monster cannot take damage from multiple projectiles at once, although I'm not 100% on that.

In the case of LS, it won't double your OVERALL damage because projectiles don't make up your full dps.

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MonaHuna#6449 schrieb:

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LoTharios#3338 schrieb:

Although i have 11 projectile with flasks actice, due to Nimiz only ~25% of them hits the boss.
Including the returning projectiles its still only 50%.
So i assume without Nimiz my damage doubles.

It doesn't matter how many projectiles hit the boss, they don't shotgun. Returning allows projectiles to hit twice.

Yes, "shotgun" capability is the grand root of this augment and I believe OP tried to min-max under the restriction.

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After I reduced it to Claw/Shield, the spread has already been decreased.

"reducing the range to Claw/Shield" for example is too specific. It would be "claw/shield or other variant" comparison.
It's just a general rule but if we want to compare "LS slayer /w nimis or w/o nimis", there should not be other defining query. (imagine if we aim for "the exact specification". there should be no spread in theory.)

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cowmoo275#3095 schrieb:

Also I'm pretty sure that the same monster cannot take damage from multiple projectiles at once,

That would change everything, never heard of this.

I just went by the look of it and assumed that picture 2 (no Nimiz) would hurt what was in front of me more.

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LoTharios#3338 schrieb:

That would change everything, never heard of this.

It's pretty standard for projectile skills to NOT shotgun. What makes LS unique is that it can double-hit, once with the melee and once with the projectile, essentially dealing twice the damage. Returning projectile will double the projectile portion of the damage.

More projectiles means more coverage, but not more damage.

Just checked on PoEWiki:

The projectile returns in the direction of its creator. Unlike other behaviours, returns allows one additional collision (per simultaneous set) against targets that were already hit.[6] If a projectile returns directly from an enemy, that enemy cannot be hit by other returning projectiles in the same set

So that means only one of the returning projectiles per attack can collide again?
1 at initial collide and 1 from the returning ones?

That would mean i could do the same damage with just one Projectile.
So id better get a second Amulet/Helmet with different Annoint/Enchant.

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LoTharios#3338 schrieb:

Just checked on PoEWiki:
Shotgun prevention only interacts with collisions, not all hits.

So that means all the returning projectiles can collide again, after 10 of them just passed the Boss on initial hit?

You missed everything before that....
"The game normally prevents 'shotgunning'. When multiple projectiles are created simultaneously, only one of those projectiles can collide with the same target. Projectiles after the first will pass through without colliding. Similarly, it prevents multiple collisions from Forked or Split projectiles (that Return).

Key phrase "prevents multiple collisions from forked, split, return". Only one return projectile can hit the same target, just like the initial collision.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Return