[3.25] The Dancing Mistress - Chaos/Poison Dancing Dervish Necro
INTRODUCTION
Hi, my name is Baumi and this is my build.
More specifically, I released my first official version back in 3.4.0 Delve League and kept it updated throughout up until and including 3.8.0 Blight League, where the Impale version was my go-to Uber Elder carry at the time. This is a revised build of that, using the reworked Dancing Dervish, formerly known as Dancing Duo, respectively, but this time centered around Chaos Damage and Poison instead of Impale.
SHOWCASE
POB
3.25 Path of Building: https://pobb.in/th7DtGHwFNNB
(This is my template and not the actual PoB of my character. You can check my character "VENOMOUS_BEYBLADE" on my profile.)
MECHANICS
Previously, Dancing Duo's monster version of Cyclone could be supported by Multistrike, which is no longer the case since the rework. Back then, movement speed and attack speed would go hand in hand for DPS, meaning that Minion movement speed was much more important then.
The Cyclone the Dervishes used would make them travel a fixed, short distance back and forth, applying an AoE attack at a rate based on their attack speed, and that travel time was scaled by both attack and movement speed. Nowadays, they channel Cyclone and no longer quickly spin back and forth but stay on top of the target. Hence why movement speed is no longer a measurable DPS modifier and thus far less important now. On the plus side, the minions now have a much larger AoE. Here's an old GIF I have left over from that time that roughly shows this: And here's another one that shows the impact Phasing can have: Phasing in particular is imo a very underrated mechanic that doesn't get talked about enough. It's very useful, and especially so when you can move very fast. It allows you to just run right through enemies, so you'll never be trapped by enemy packs blocking a doorway, or obstructed by something like Frost Walls. But there's a little more magic to it once you start factoring in enemy projectile trajectory and what I would describe as "turn rate". Just think back to when you fought Hillock on the beach and how you strafed around him, making him miss attacks due to his low attack speed. This is where Phasing really shines when all you do is play defensively, as in this case. I use Bladestorm of Uncertainty to start the first Rampage kill streak to summon the swords. I prefer that melee skill because I can pop a storm and run away, or I trigger the sand version and keep my distance that way. Spiritual Command is really nice here because all the additional Minion Attack Speed now also affects us and thus also our Bladestorm's attack rate. I keep my Frostblink of Wintry Blast at level 1 in order to not kill myself to Ele Reflect. You still have to roll over Phys Reflect, though, or else you will just obliterate yourself with Bladestorm because this character doesn't have any direct mitigation. Its main defense is running around. However, you can somewhat bypass this problem if you just time your flask uses right and let the Minions kill the worms often enough to get a Rampage kill streak. If you get the timing wrong, you will run out of flask charges just before the Rampage timer resets. You can add a third, fourth or even 5th worm flask for such a map, if you want. But beware: this method with 2 flasks only works at the start of a map. If you lose them later in the middle of a boss fight, you are likely fucked. Best to just roll over Phys Reflect. It's not worth all the extra hoops just to run that 1 map mod. Why I'm not using Awakened Unbound Ailments, even though this build is scaling Poison Damage: Feel free to correct me on this, but my napkin math and anecdotal testing suggests that, in essence, it takes Unbound Ailments ~29% longer to reach the same DPS you can have with Added Chaos Damage. This behavior can be observed during gameplay. Unbound Ailments has more DPS as the fight progresses, but only after a period of >3.5 seconds. Usually, regular map bosses are dead before full Poison stacks are reached with Unbound Ailments, or basically shortly after. Nice on paper, not so much in practice. With this kind of DPS, you will phase endgame bosses before the Poison stacks even reach maximum. Another good reason is that monsters near you will die much quicker with Added Chaos Damage due to the higher hit damage. PoB numbers are not everything. I use Meat Shield in combination with Predator for two reasons: 1.) Meat Shield stops the Dervishes from trailing off all the time (and leaving you vulnerable) and keeps them close to you (and it provides additional movement speed), and 2.) Signal Prey can be used to counteract the passive behavior induced by Meat Shield, and Predator is also a really good damage support gem. Keeping the swords close to you also feels better to play overall, and they will more reliably stay in range of your auras. On a sidenote, I absolutely detest that gem when in combination with this build. The swords disable the weapon slot when summoned, which also disables any gems socketed there and thus removes Signal Prey from your skill bar. That means you need to sacrifice another socket just so you can have access to Signal Prey. Very, very annoying when you are already socket-starved, but it's also far too good not to use. I previously used Rallying Cry, but I stopped using it in favor of Awakened Unbound Ailments for my Summon Skitterbots. While the potential DPS is lower in this case, the higher Chill adds safety for you and your Minions, especially when combined with Temporal Chains from your gloves, and your character is no longer forced to halt for a moment when the Warcry is off cooldown. I didn't find the brief stopping to be a particular problem, but it sometimes was annoying when I was trying to get away from something quickly and then being locked in the animation. As for my Spectres, I went oldschool with classic Carnage Chieftains to generate Frenzy Charges for my Minions. I'm not up-to-date with the current Spectre meta, so pick something else you prefer if these are not up your alley. Bone Barrier vs Plaguebringer: I previously used Bone Barrier until I revised my tree and setup to make my Minions more tanky (cuz they kept dying in endgame). I do kind of miss it because the Leech was really nice for enemy DoTs, and Plaguebringer has some anti-synergy with Bubonic Trail and Devouring Diadem removing corpses, but the extra AoE is nice and the reduced Damage dealt for enemies is additive with Fenumus' Shroud, so you can expect 20% reduced damage dealt for enemies, as long as you stay within range and keep the corpses up, which is kind of a done deal while clearing, but you still have to cast Desecrate every now and then to counteract the constant corpse removal. I really wish Bone Barrier wasn't an Ascendancy node but maybe a keystone passive, but it is what it is. Why am I using Summon Phantasm Support instead of something... better? I actually have very good reasoning for this. You can have up to 11 of them summoned (with a lvl 21 gem) and they use a projectile based spell that deals Physical Damage with decent base damage. What that means is that we have a ranged support squad that constantly triggers Feeding Frenzy while also not having bad DPS on their own. On top of that, since they are using a spell, they are not affected by our lack of Minion Accuracy Rating and thus require no further investment. They will also stay alive much longer once you got the ball rolling with Minion passives and auras. And the final reason: Unnatural Might. More Minions means more reliable stacks of Withered, which in turn means more DPS for us.
ITEMS
You definitely need 4x jewels with "Minions have 15% chance to Poison Enemies on Hit", or else you are wasting a ton of potential DPS. The Forbidden jewels with Void Beacon are optional, but really good to have. The reduced enemy regen effect is just so good on its own, and the Chaos RR is just the cherry on top. Still, you can also just use more Abyss Jewels instead, if that's more your thing. You will also need 2x Large Cluster Jewel and 2x Small Cluster Jewel. The former is needed to get a lot of Minion Attack Speed and other important character stats such as Dexterity. The small ones need Frantic Aspect and Mortifying Aspect, so that our Haste and Malevolence auras gain 50% increased Mana Reservation Efficiency, respectively. A corrupted Dervish with the Resolute Technique implicit is absolutely required. You will have to run a Precision aura and get some Minion Accuracy Rating until you do. But once that is done, you can invest all of that effort elsewhere. Devouring Diadem is kind of mandatory for Eldritch Battery and increased Mana Reservation Efficiency for our auras. I use Mind over Matter for a little extra eHP we get with Eldritch Battery this way. Impossible Escape is sort of necessary for efficient pathing to pick up Charisma and Repleneshing Remedies. A workaround, in case you cannot aquire a Supreme Ego variant, is to anoint Charisma and then get an Impossible Escape with Magebane rolled on it. That allows you to spec into Profane Chemistry and Arcane Chemistry. Both these passives do what Repleneshing Remedies does, which is to provide our Writhing Jars with much needed passive flask charge generation. This is an efficient way of making this work with just two flasks and otherwise minimal investment. Bubonic Trail is more or less mandatory for the jewel sockets and Mana Reservation Efficiency in combination with Amanamu's Gaze. You can spec into Deep Thoughts and grab the Mana Mastery for the 12% increased Mana Reservation Efficiency as a temporary workaround. You will likely have to drop Aspect of the Spider for the time being (if you have access to that already). The body armour slot is super flexible. I even used Cloak of Flame before switching to Fenumus' Shroud. That's because I was going for a bit more defensive version with three Purity auras that ultimately didn't convince me, so I dropped that idea and switched to the current setup. As for the gloves, another solid option is Asenath's Gentle Touch: This is actually top tier for corpse removal against porcupines and let's you pop enemy packs. Only reason I switched away from them is because I found that exact property to entice me too much to play more aggressively, which would get me killed more often. However, this gear slot is otherwise also very flexible, but I do recommend gloves with Temporal Chains on hit because you can apply it with Frostblink and it lasts quite a long time (and extends the duration of applied Poisons). I highly recommend a corrupted ring with lvl 23 Despair. Doesn't cost a socket and gives a higher level Curse. Doedre's Damning is perfect for this because it's a really common and thus super cheap unique, and it also comes with an inherent +1 Curse mod. In case you get Asenath's Gentle Touch with Despair on hit (which is nice for clearing), you can use the Curse from the ring to override the weaker Despair since only the strongest applied Curse will take effect.
PASSIVES
Bandits: Kill All Pantheon: Your choice, but I do recommend Soul of Lunaris for maps with extra Chain, and Soul of Arakaali + Soul of Ralakesh for Lab runs (makes the traps rather trivial). Gaming PC: Win 11, 7600X3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30, 7000 MB/s SSD, 850W, 3840x2160p 120Hz Streaming PC: Win 11, i5-12400, RTX 4060, 32GB DDR5-6000 CL36, 7000 MB/s SSD, 450W, 1920x1080p 60Hz Zuletzt bearbeitet von BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 um 14.09.2024, 06:55:32 Zuletzt angestoßen am 06.12.2024, 13:05:14
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you dont have any pob with minimum itens required to start with this ? i started necro settlers with Dancing dervish, but, i need any pob with start maps itens
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So this is what I would've looked like if I focused only on damage. (Not meant as a negative comment, just an observation)
EDIT: I love that you've got a setup going that can make optimal use of the chance to poison gem. It's a great gem but when most builds centre on a chayula armour it just becomes a flat chaos gem when on the high end, you have another suffix and different style of armour to choose from. There's a lot of potential on the high end of the build. Good classic eyeball spam for Dervish never fails, I miss 'em with all the shiny jewels GGG has nowadays. No cyclone is great and offers up a different playstyle than the usual cycloners which is nice! Totally with you on the unbound ailments thing, it's a similar reason to why I have withering touch instead of awakened void manip. Great in depth guide as well. My Dancing Dervish builds https://pobb.in/u/bellabong Zuletzt bearbeitet von Bellabong#2948 um 05.12.2024, 18:24:01
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" Well, the game isn't what it used to be and I refuse to let explosions carry a build. Was better back then when the game wasn't as rippy. After all, this is a really old build style. Though I remember you, I think. You released your guide 2 weeks after mine back then, iirc, though as an Occultist. :D I also remember some discussions we had about damage scaling, because you asked me about my testing. Welcome back. Gaming PC: Win 11, 7600X3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30, 7000 MB/s SSD, 850W, 3840x2160p 120Hz
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Oh I've been around, I had GGG delete my guide after the fiasco of the rework, but I'm planning to put it back up, since the AI is in an acceptable state after it got fixed in Settlers.
My own build focus has been levelling to 100 in juiced maps with one button so I've caught none of the extra rippyness :P And yeah, I'm "carried" by the highest damage explosions in the entire game. See what I've discovered over the years is that Spiritual Aid causes Profane Bloom to double dip your increased minion damage stats. So my Profane Bloom is actually 50% chance to deal 800%+ of monster health in damage. I have barely noticed the addition of Archnemesis to the game, in all its forms, so those explosions went from map clear comfort to eating up all the OP rares GGG has been throwing at us the past two years. Have you tried bone barrier with instant leech or just normal leech, because the instant leech on Dervish is utterly bonkers My Dancing Dervish builds https://pobb.in/u/bellabong
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" I have, just couldn't decide what I wanted more. Though I don't really care anymore, either, as I'm no longer interested in playing it. Was just a fun little side project to see what it looks like today under similar conditions. I still prefer the old Impale version from back in the day, which is no longer possible. So, what gives. 🤷♂️ Gaming PC: Win 11, 7600X3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30, 7000 MB/s SSD, 850W, 3840x2160p 120Hz
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What about impale isn't working for you? Raskoril has taken impale into ubers so I'm curious what you consider is no longer possible
My Dancing Dervish builds https://pobb.in/u/bellabong
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" Yes, Raskoril based his build off mine, he even says so. Except I used to go by a different alias back then. He took over when I stopped, which I don't mind. I was always more of a CWDT enjoyer myself, even though this type of build was my first Uber Elder carry back in the day. Ever since the nerfs to Dread Banner and Impale scaling for Minions (among other things), it just doesn't feel worth it anymore. Chaos scaling is far superior and comparably requires far less investment to achieve the same kind of damage. Reaching 100% Impale chance these days is just unrealistic and too much of a hassle. If you check his 3.23 PoB, you can see his fully buffed and stacked DD Cyclone deals about 2M DPS per sword. I used to get around 5M per sword in 3.8. And boss HP was doubled in 3.9. Overwhelm was reworked and doesn't work the same anymore. Impale now needs a separate stat for that, too, which Minions can't even get (the Overwhelm Minion Mastery does not apply to Impale). So you tend to run into the problem where enemies with high PDR (i.e. from stacked Armour and/or Endurance Charges) suddenly take almost no damage, something that can't really happen with the Chaos version. Chaos Damage also bypasses enemy ES, so that makes it superior in every way, especially for endgame content. I simply used a more or less budget constraint approach based on what I had access to. You used to be able to get away with very little defense back in the day, nowadays you need chain explosions to kinda do the same thing. Summon Phantasm also doesn't feel as great anymore, a type of build I first released in 3.4 when Soulwrest was added to the game. I haven't been interested in the Minion playstyle for years, as they all basically play the same now. Gaming PC: Win 11, 7600X3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30, 7000 MB/s SSD, 850W, 3840x2160p 120Hz
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Haha, Raskoril always been shit at configuring his PoB for seeing his true damage, I've estimated his damage at around 12 mill total. He has enough defenses for SC, definitely not HC viable like me, but also not complete paper. If I aimed for his DPS I'd be squishier than him. 100% impale is also not as hard as you make it out to be, the clusters are pretty easy to roll. Both our builds are pretty insane league starters as well so there's that to consider.
Since you've last seen Dervish it has received a 30% nerf in PoB numbers (it's only this year that PoB actually reflected real dervish damage) a 5% actual nerf with the two handed weapon changes and impale was gutted. So keep that in mind when trying to compare to PoB numbers from memory. Also instead of overwhelm there's the mastery of 50% chance to ignore phys reduction, so that papers over your concerns of running into an endurance charge monster or Sirus. While you were away Envy Aul's shot up to 80 divs for a year until poison SRS was nerfed, so chaos was not the budget option until Settlers where the poison SRS hype died down a bit. It's still horrific at leaguestart. You have 70 divines of cluster jewels as well, that ain't exactly budget lol My defenses aren't the explosions (I find it kinda weird that you keep reducing my variant down to explosions, which don't scale in Delve anyway, which is my main league mechanic) - I have actual defenses with 25% phys damage reduction, endurance charges, 10 fortify, spell suppression, 80+ max ele res, 50 overcapped lighting and cold res for eater altars, 80% evasion, 26k armour, 60% recoup, instaleech, full ailment and crit immunity as well as temp chains aura and spider. That's a whole different experience than what your PoB indicates (heck I doubt you should be sharing that PoB at level 100, since your own character never made it past 95, which indicates how often it dies) P.S. Did you honestly think Raskoril did ubers with 400k damage - that's what your comment on his damage implies lol My Dancing Dervish builds https://pobb.in/u/bellabong Zuletzt bearbeitet von Bellabong#2948 um 05.12.2024, 07:51:22
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" Except that doesn't work with Impale. -snip- Gaming PC: Win 11, 7600X3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30, 7000 MB/s SSD, 850W, 3840x2160p 120Hz Streaming PC: Win 11, i5-12400, RTX 4060, 32GB DDR5-6000 CL36, 7000 MB/s SSD, 450W, 1920x1080p 60Hz Zuletzt bearbeitet von BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 um 05.12.2024, 17:29:45
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